That didn't take long If he was that big a fan, you'd have thought he'd

[PSRB]

at least have had a go on GTA V 1st

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/washington-navy-yard -shooting-suspect-2279366?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_med ium=twitter (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-2279366?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

[Berni]

I'm looking forward to the day when one of these chaps is described as "a really nice guy everyone got along with and who had loads of friends and got laid a lot". It would at least break the 'nerdy loner' stranglehold.

[Classic Jorge]

...psychopath than being a fan of GTA.

What a f**ked moral compass the media have.

[Brentwood]

chairs about

[PSRB]

I keenly await the Daily Mail's moral outrage to be delivered on GTA V, quite surprised there isn't an article already

[Berni]

You can exacerbate or harness pre-existing dissociative personality disorders. But that's different.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

The daily mail have a history of condoning many, many more morally repugnant things which are actual real world things.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

kill other people - it doesn't come naturally. You have to condition normal people into it. Psychopaths need no such conditioning - in fact, the military tries to weed out psychopaths because they're bad for discipline, don't work in teams and a generally more trouble than they're worth.

[Luis Anaconda]

He really didn't look into that religion closely did he

[Luis Anaconda]

[Brentwood]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

less morally repugnant because they are not 'real world'? Your moral relativism alarms me.

And spare me thE Daily Mail bashing. Just because the DM slags something off doesn't mean it must ipso facto be OK.

[Trixie Popsicle]

You could have bloody warned me! :cry:

[PSRB]

Olivia Munn for a start http://postgradproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/6110232e9f76c8d5dfe8f29c3f1a7ba6.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

It's a computer game, it has no consequences.

The mail supported Naziism, which I think we can all agree was a bit worse than anything on the XBox so far.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Classic Jorge]

[Brentwood]

Covering yourself in case an Xbox game comes on the market which might be worse than Nazism

[Berni]

Trying to handle this near-iinsoluble dichotomy is essentially what leads to so many cases of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

So, while there are certainly many disturbed ex-servicemen, they are disturbed not because they are psychopaths, but precisely because they are not.

[Classic Jorge]

[Hillary]

which rather gives the lie to your "psychopaths are born not made" theory.

[Classic Jorge]

It's impossible to kill someone, especially on the orders of someone else, and claim to even be on the same planet as a moral compass.

[Hillary]

[PSRB]

[Berni]

And saying The Mail is repugnant doesn't make other things less so.

And as for the argument that art, literature, games and pastimes have 'no consequences', it is possibly one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here. Everything has consequences.

[7evens]

The type created by following our end of season run in's.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Hillary]

[PSRB]

[Berni]

Going on a killing spree does not make one a psychopath.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

and marched it up and down in support of invading Iraq, and hardly ever in the context of its proper meaning.

It was like a massive, warmongery zeitgeist inspired by Redflag.

[7evens]

Is that another americanism ?

[Hillary]

to be responsible for his actions than playing GTA. He has a point, I would have thought.

[Berni]

It is a fascinating subject, to be fair. Scary, too.

[Hillary]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Never mind the content of the game.

[7evens]

Not that it takes much to throw me a bit

[Berni]

remains utterly erroneous.

[PSRB]

[7evens]

[Hillary]

Didn't you and Berni start dressing up in medieval garb at one point?

[Classic Jorge]

The point I was making is that the media (the mail or whoever) actively support going into wars and the killing on thousands/millions yet seem to think a computer game, with tenuous links to any real-life consequences, is morally repugnant.

If that's not a skewed logical argument I dont know what is

[Classic Jorge]

I just love that phrase

[Hillary]

he was making.

[Ashberto]

Some people are not keen on games and don't play them, which is fine. However, it doesn't make those that do play them child-like.

People who play GTA are obviously all potential mass-murderers though. That's obvious.

[Hillary]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

There's nothing wrong with it.

[Classic Jorge]

I mean statistically I'm right.

The rest is a semantic argument.

[Ashberto]

[Hillary]

[Hillary]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

[Classic Jorge]

who trips you up and laughs when you fall

[Berni]

psychological diagnoses, I'd have thought. And if you are making the same crass mistakes of terminological inexactitude as the press you deride in the form of The Daily Mail, I'd go out on a limb and say that undermines your point more than a little.

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

I appreciate you're :fishing: ;-)

[Classic Jorge]

[7evens]

Not sure how many of those are filtered out of the military selection process mind :rubchin:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I'm really not joking. I find the infantilisation of several generations pretty disturbing.

[Hillary]

[Luis Anaconda]

Oh wait - that's a man's game isn't it

[PSRB]

flying planes, etc

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

who's Germane?

[Brentwood]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Warhammer_game.jpg

http://blog.nj.com/morristown_impact/2009/07/large_SANY0104.JPG

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

And no, I don't accept your point. There are many, many spree killers who've never been near the military - Michael Ryan, Thomas Hamilton, Dylan Klebod and Ryan Harris, thon Aurora fellow - just for starters.

[Ashberto]

[Classic Jorge]

I'm saying that time in the military will make you statistically more prone to becoming a spree killer than playing GTA.

Just as there are many, many other more important factors than playing a f**king computer game.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[PSRB]

[PSRB]

[Berni]

use of inaccurate and absurd generalisations to make some half-arsed point about slagging off the military! I'm the one applying some intellectual rigour here rather than talking in tabloidese - f**king hell!

[Classic Jorge]

It's like saying because there is a my little pony movie that all subsequent films are for children.

[Brentwood]

[Classic Jorge]

We'll be talking about acceptable rape soon ffs

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I bet sometimes you put the Xbox away and put on your 'My Little Cowboy' outfit and fight off the injuns, don't you? :hehe:

[PSRB]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

proclivity for violent games, pornography or fantasy in general would be a pretty major red flag. I think trying to blame any one thing is absurd and that - as you have amply demonstrated - this sort of event becomes an excuse for everyone to ride their particular hobby horse.

What I'm saying is: you and the Daily Mail aren't that different in some ways. :-)

[Berni]

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

featuring a grinning George Galloway on the packaging.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

No wonder we're f**ked.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

[DG (socialist surrender monkey)]

:rubchin:

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It's one thing to believe this **** when you're 17 and at Polytechnic. But when you're a grown up... :shrug:

[Classic Jorge]

Frankly I dont know which way to turn.

I suppose an army is a necessary evil, I'd like to see it used for defence though. And that's defence in the real sense of the word, rather than the idea of 'defending our interests'.

That said, if it's all the same to you, I'll not be supporting, beatifying or lionising them. They are trained killers. We don't express our pride in the untrained ones and I dont see what difference some training makes, frankly.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

script.

So you're prepared to be defended, as and when you judge appropriately, but you're not prepared to accept that those charged with saving your sorry, cowardly arse are worth your respect.

How odd.

[Classic Jorge]

I really dont see the likelihood of a land invasion being that great, c. It was an anachronistic idea 50 years ago.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

but only if we all did it together :hehe:

[redgunamo]