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Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:14 AM
British male identity crisis 'spurring machismo and heartlessness'
Diane Abbott speech to Demos thinktank warns of rapid economic change creating a disaffected 'Fight Club' generation

Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour MP Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.

The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that unemployment and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of disaffected young men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.

She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face. "It's all become a bit like the film Fight Club – the first rule of being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it."

The government must put the aim of full employment at its heart if these problems are to be solved, she believes.

Abbott's words signal a move by Labour to capture the political battleground of the family from the Tories.

It is the first of a number of speeches in which Abbott will address the role of the modern family. It follows comments by Jon Cruddas, the party's policy review chief, who said in May that Labour could offer paid leave for fathers to attend antenatal classes, and also ban advertising aimed at youngsters.

Speaking to the thinktank Demos, Abbott will argue that boys are becoming increasingly isolated from their parents and friends, while grown men are working longer hours, dying of preventable cancers, and taking their own lives.

"This generation no longer asks itself what it means to be a man," she will say.

But she will also challenge the idea that a family unit should have two parents to be able to function in society.

"Let me be clear. I'm not here to talk about 'broken Britain'. I'm not here to do down single-parent families. I am a single mother. I'm not here to place blame on any families, or to try and suggest that one particular family might be in some way better than another."

Consumerism has replaced earning, providing and belonging for many men, according to the MP, giving rise to a culture of "hypermasculinity" – a culture that exaggerates what are perceived as manly qualities in the face of perceived threats.

"At its worst, it's a celebration of heartlessness; a lack of respect for women's autonomy; and the normalisation of homophobia. I fear it's often crude individualism dressed up as modern manhood," she will say.

Pornography has also had a damaging affect upon men, Abbott claims, which has added to the growth of a "Viagra and Jack Daniels" culture.

"Growing numbers of men of all ages [are] turning to the drug by themselves due to performance anxiety, triggered by a host of psychological issues – from our increasingly pornified culture making 'normal' sex seem boring, to financial pressures. It may be a secret, psychological crutch for some men, who are under pressure to meet a pornified expectation," she will say.

Labour policy suggestions are expected to include health campaigns, aimed specifically at men, to tackle obesity, alcohol misuse and poor sexual health, as well as promote father-friendly parenting classes, which would be paid for from existing local government budgets.

Schools would be asked to help youths to explore a less narrow version of masculinity, and encourage parents to talk to their sons about manhood and fatherhood.

Far from yesterday's role models of soldier, miners and farmers, male youths, says Abbott, are part of a "transit generation" left working in services industries they are uncomfortable with, or not working at all.

"Look at many of our young men graduating from university this year," her speech says. "Faced with mass unemployment and often unable to fly the nest they can find themselves locked into a transitional phase at home, or find themselves voluntarily creating an extended adolescence, sometimes resentful of family life."

Witharby 2-3 weeks
05-15-2013, 11:16 AM
I would say yes she is, to a certain extent.

modd
05-15-2013, 11:17 AM
owing numbers of men of all ages [are] turning to the drug by themselves due to performance anxiety, triggered by a host of psychological issues – from our increasingly pornified culture making 'normal' sex seem boring, to financial pressures. It may be a secret, psychological crutch for some men, who are under pressure to meet a pornified expectation," she will say.

How the f**k can she say that relate to a lot of men. where has she done here research to make such a over the top statement :shrug:

Bergkamp's Brain
05-15-2013, 11:17 AM

Pat Vegas
05-15-2013, 11:17 AM

Mo Britain less Europe
05-15-2013, 11:18 AM

modd
05-15-2013, 11:18 AM
up.

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:18 AM
ly

modd
05-15-2013, 11:18 AM
them with some evidence.

Jake
05-15-2013, 11:19 AM
Then again, I'm not a ruffian.

modd
05-15-2013, 11:20 AM
statements with no facts to back it up

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:20 AM
Lets just stick with prejudice and rhetoric, it's much easier to appeal to people's baser instincts that way.

Pat Vegas
05-15-2013, 11:21 AM
Is she a bit stupid or what?

Most young blokes i see these days are skinny like a rake. wearing slim fit jeans nerdy glasses and their hair gelled back. and look like a strong wind would knock them over.

Mo Britain less Europe
05-15-2013, 11:22 AM

Witharby 2-3 weeks
05-15-2013, 11:24 AM
All she is doing is regurgitating previous views made public by others.

There are a few basic easy wins. Downturn = Machismo response, men not discussing their problems. These are age old and pretty much truisms

It is all very basic stuff, nothing enlightening

Pat Vegas
05-15-2013, 11:25 AM
going for sexism too.

Witharby 2-3 weeks
05-15-2013, 11:25 AM

modd
05-15-2013, 11:26 AM
person to say it. That what pisses me off. If she repeating what others are saying. Then be honest about it

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 11:27 AM
An indefatigable termagant if ever there was one.

modd
05-15-2013, 11:27 AM
to people who she did not like on bbc this week. :angry:

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:28 AM
Do Labour even know they are Her Majesty's Opposition? They are laughably bad

modd
05-15-2013, 11:28 AM
once and she got angry saying one rule for her and one rule for everyone else. What a ****

Pat Vegas
05-15-2013, 11:28 AM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:31 AM
so they can smoke in pubs again.

Pat Vegas
05-15-2013, 11:34 AM
can they guarantee that Arsenal will finish top 4 each season if I vote for them?

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:37 AM

barrybueno
05-15-2013, 11:37 AM

Luis Anaconda
05-15-2013, 11:38 AM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:42 AM

Ears are alight
05-15-2013, 11:43 AM

Ears are alight
05-15-2013, 11:49 AM

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 11:51 AM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:52 AM
He did take his Nanny out on the campaign trail, y'know

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 11:55 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9XaFRMwdexY/Tf9ICuRPeNI/AAAAAAAAEZ8/vEhlsDbYiTY/s320/JacobReesMogg.jpg http://www.beano.com/media/80302/character-dennis-walter.jpg

Seriously though, he's the very acme of a man born into privilege and favour who's never had to work for anything in his life. He's an utter, utter bell end and a cosseted caricature tory with only the most tenuous grasp on the real world.

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 11:58 AM
Just let it go. Not everyone's the same. Don't hate people because they're black, or gay, or female, or rich, or poor, or whatever. None of it's necessary.

On the other hand, if you and your class warrior mates fancy a class war, I'm pretty up for that. Given that we'll have the army on our side.

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:01 PM
Where would he be if his dad didnt edit the times at the point Thatch got elected?

Ears are alight
05-15-2013, 12:01 PM
And far more genuine than the hypocritical harridan you're putting him up against "for balance".

He also has some style...

"The ConservativeHome blog rates Rees-Mogg as one of the Conservatives' most rebellious MPs.[15] He has voted against the government whip on the Fixed-term Parliaments Bill, the October 2011 European Union Referendum Motion and the House of Lords Reform Bill 2012.[16]

He also helped filibuster the Daylight Saving Bill 2010-12 and the Sustainable Livestock Bill 2010-12, thus preventing their passage through Parliament. In his long speech on the Sustainable Livestock Bill, he recited poetry; spoke of the superior quality of Somerset eggs, and mentioned the fictional pig, the Empress of Blandings, who won silver at the Shropshire Show three years in a row, before moving on to talk about the sewerage system and the Battle of Agincourt.[14][17][18] [19] He also attempted to amend the Daylight Saving Bill to give the county of Somerset its own time zone, 15 minutes behind London.[20]

In a debate on London Local Authorities Bill on 7 December 2011, he said that council officials who have the power to issue on-the-spot fines should be forced to wear bowler hats.[21][22]

In a House of Commons debate on the remuneration of EU staff on 21 February 2012, he used the word floccinaucinihilipilification,[23] making it one of the longest words recorded in Hansard.[24]"

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:04 PM
In the interests of balance, his sister is nice.

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 12:05 PM
in Soweto, you come from an incredibly privileged background; there's no reason for you to be hated as a result. Hopefully you'll give your kids more comfort and security than you had; there's no reason for them to be abused for that.

Ears are alight
05-15-2013, 12:07 PM
never mind his dad.

You're right about his sister.

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 12:07 PM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:10 PM
Who either doesnt know or doesnt care that the policies he's defending are unfairly targeting the poor, the sick and the young.

To be honest, I imagine he both knows and doesnt care as he cant be that stupid, though I thought I'd be fair and give him the benefit of the doubt.

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 12:12 PM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:13 PM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:14 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poor-hit-harde st-by-financial-crisis-and-welfare-cuts-will-make-it-worse-8 616344.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poor-hit-hardest-by-financial-crisis-and-welfare-cuts-will-make-it-worse-8616344.html)

Ears are alight
05-15-2013, 12:16 PM

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 12:19 PM
backs of the poor downtrodden workers and it's just awful and let's put up this poster of Che and give everyone 2 million pounds hurrah!

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Plagiarism:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/494371 3/Tory-candidate-apologises-over-Sun-plagiarism-row.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/4943713/Tory-candidate-apologises-over-Sun-plagiarism-row.html)

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:22 PM

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
05-15-2013, 12:23 PM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:26 PM
Voted for Labour's anti-terrorism laws. votes
Voted very strongly for university tuition fees. votes
Voted very strongly for increasing the rate of VAT. votes
Voted strongly for more EU integration. votes :yikes:
Voted very strongly for greater autonomy for schools. votes
Voted against a more proportional system for electing MPs. votes
Voted for replacing Trident. votes
Voted very strongly against equal gay rights. votes

Monty91
05-15-2013, 12:27 PM

Classic Jorge
05-15-2013, 12:31 PM
You would have thought the scion of such a notable journalistic dynasty may have been able to rustle up some copy of his own, maybe he couldnt nail the prole voice.

It remains what he's most famous for though, even in the face of his recent bumbling, shambolic TV appearances.