It is kinda warped how no-one EVER mentions that Spurs have won one league cup in 14 years

[Monty91]

(and 3 domestic cups in 29 years) despite endlessly chopping and changing their manager.

And yet a club that has retained its most successful manager ever in spite of a 8 trophyless years is derided.

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

it is almost hard to get your head around.

Literally, Wenger's biggest crime has been not maintaining the absurdly high standards he set.

[Dorset Gooner]

with our resources & recent success when in fact there is a fag paper between us at the minute.

[Monty91]

whilst they've been bankrolled by a billionaire tax exile in the Caribbean.

And they've still not finished above us.

[devongunner]

ut ever investing anything in the club. He invested in the shares, brought zero to the club and will inevitably leave with a large profit. At least Abramovic, Jo Whatsisface and Sheikh Mansour have put their money where their mouths are at the front end

[Dorset Gooner]

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[Monty91]

just at the point we moved to the Emirates and for a few years afterwards, certainly at levels beyond their natural income. So it's hardly a surprise they've closed the gap.

[devongunner]

Why is Kroenke better than them.

Gillett and Hicks tried to do a Glazers but never had the money. People are quick to knock the Glazers BUT they have won things and the value of their asset has increased AND they have let the manager invest massivley. Wouldnt you be OK with that

[Dorset Gooner]

& there is, perhaps, our problem. Anyhow f**k em, if they finish above us for one year big deal.

[redgunamo]

After all, it's not as though we'd have asked the bank to loan us all that money so we could squander it all on goal-shy strikers and pocket-sized midfield generals, is it.

[ArseMart - Enjoy every sandwich]

[barrybueno]

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

And let's not forget. They aren't paying off a new stadium at the moment. There is no justifiable reason for why they aren't spending money.

[devongunner]

The point is that I dont have a problem with an owner taking out some money as long as the team gets what it needs. You cant argue that Man U havent been doing well trophy wise in the time Fergie has been there and the Glazers have been there. They have invested enough to win trophies and finish top four constantly. Thats what we want, not everything put back in, but enough to ensure some success

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

And the Glazers have had an actively negative impact, leeching hundreds of millions of pounds that United could otherwise have spent on improving the squad further.

Kroenke has done f**k all that we know about, positive or negative, and has merely let us get on with things in the way we were going to previously.

Do you think we would have spent any more under Hill-Wood et al, had they not sold their shares??

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[devongunner]

ll the money on improving the squad and had more. BUT the point I was making was that they had spent some (actually a lot) and had success therefore if I was a fan of theirs I wouldnt begrudge them their dividends. They meet their interest payments, they already have a huge stadium, when it comes to financial fair play they will meet the requirements of the model ( not that FFP will ever take off)

Gazidis and Wenger between them take out the best part of 12 million a year, a million a month, Kroenke takes money out, we have 123 million in the bank, Kroenkes asset has increased by n400 million (if latest bid figures are to be believed) and we havent won anything for 8 years.

Which position would you rather be in??

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

But it is a tiny fraction of what they would have been able to were the Glazers not sucking the club dry at the same time.

Kroenke takes 20,000 a year out of Arsenal. He may not put any in, but he certainly doesn't take any out. Wenger gets 8.5 million a year, but that is the going rate for a manager of his class, and I hope you will agree that we could be much further down the table were it not for us having him at the helm.

As for us having 130 million in the bank, it's all too easy to point fingers at Kroenke/Gazidis/Arsene, when, in actuality, we don't have a clue why that isn't being spent. One thing I will say is that overall we are still in debt, even with the 130 million, and our club makes a substantial loss every year that is only offset by player sales and property income (which is coming to an end).

None of us know why we are sitting on such a large hoarde of cash. But it certainly isn't beyond the extremities of possibility to attribute it to sensible financial management.

[Progbook]

[devongunner]

My point was that the value of Kroenke's asset has grown, he has put no money in and we have no success. Abramovic and Mansour will never get their money back whereas Stan will make a large profit. 123 million in the bank may have been better spent securing Van Persie (wages and other players) and thus having more chance of the trophy of 4th than sitting doing FA

[redgunamo]

the issue they have with Manchester City is transfer market inflation.