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Ears are alight
02-15-2013, 10:55 AM
I have yet to see a better illustration than this...

http://www.xkcd.com/1127/

Just FYI.

Hillary
02-15-2013, 10:58 AM
I don't think "far left" means what the illustrator thinks it means

Classic Jorge
02-15-2013, 11:06 AM
Who, let's not let him forget, is a fan of the noncetastic narcotics enthusiast.

7evens
02-15-2013, 11:16 AM
believe him to be.
I'll stand corrected but I got the impression that the issue of slavery wasn't particularly at the forefront of his agenda

Classic Jorge
02-15-2013, 11:21 AM
One of the things Chuck D is quite fond of pointing out is that the White House was built by black labour.

7evens
02-15-2013, 11:28 AM
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.”

Ears are alight
02-15-2013, 11:32 AM
To answer your original question above, yes there is a nuance of that in the film. Most particularly towards its end with the "what next?" bit just ahead of his assassination.

Luis Anaconda
02-15-2013, 11:34 AM
In a letter to Horace Greeley, written in 1862, Lincoln sets forth his main objective as president, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others along I would also do that." For Lincoln , the essence of the struggle was the restoration of the Union; beside it all other concerns paled to insignificance. His assassination came only after this mission had been realized and did not mar the accomplishment but instead raised it to new heights. In Peterson's words, "...the first lesson taught by Lincoln's life was the inviolability of the American Union. And the lesson taught by his death was the heroic sacrifice needed to sanctify the nation." (Peterson,27.)

Ears are alight
02-15-2013, 11:36 AM
do it, at whatever point. Lincoln was above all else a consummate politician...

Ears are alight
02-15-2013, 11:38 AM
:hehe:

Peter
02-15-2013, 11:57 AM

7evens
02-15-2013, 12:04 PM
demonstrably more passionate in abolishing slavery than consumate politicians with a wider agenda.
The quote below doesn't initially strike me as belonging to that of a great emancipator. John Brown seemed a far more likely candidate of the age, in terms of championing abolishment.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Luis Anaconda
02-15-2013, 12:08 PM

eastgermanautos
02-15-2013, 12:31 PM
different mattee. the civil war did, after all, cost 600,000 lives.

eastgermanautos
02-15-2013, 12:40 PM
not militarily capable of becoming detached from union. union army being garrisoned in - maryland!