I'm still fuming about that banner that by all accounts was

[Dorset Gooner]

revealed after the game at Reading. Was it a case that they just wanted to be in the spolight i.e. on sky or shown in the newspaper, at least it beat being a crying http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/spud.gif or Geordie I guess but still what complete tossers! I'm surprised no one ripped it off them & stuck it up their arse.

[Pokster]

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[7evens]

[Pokster]

everything at Arsenal is good are misguided so complaints will be aired, and a banner is a hell of a lot better than somne other ways

[Monty91]

about whether you'd replace Wenger if your own money was dependent on his replacement improving Wenger's recent record?

It's a simple yes or no.

[Pokster]

if you could choose any manager in the world

[7evens]

My overall apathy for Wenger is why I want him removed.
16 years is enough, especially when the club isn't moving forwards. Clubs only retain managers in that situation under exceptional circumstances. I can really only think of one.

It's just a game. A diversion. A supporting folley if you will.

I'd just rather someone else be given the opportunity. The merry go round of players and managers is what being a supporter is all about.

Ultimately, there should always be some type of performance criteria in place but to hang on to a bloke just for the sake of past glory and deny someone else the possibility of taking us further forward, seems a bit limited and not particularly aspirational.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[Monty91]

If you, for example, would lose your house if Wenger's replacement didn't improve on his recent record of top four finishes, would you replace him or stick with him? Simple yes or no, please.

And I don't think people who want him to stay do so for the sake of past glory; they want him to stay because of his record over the past 8 years, too.

[7evens]

[7evens]

Some people want him removed, precisely because of the last eight years.

Your initial question is meaningless. In much the same way as the point I made to Halfshark.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

We can be understandably disappointed in not having won at least a trophy or two in that time.

Our league performances, on the other hand, have consistently seen us finish in the top four, when that is by no means a right or certainty.

[Monty91]

Who would you put your money on to keep us at least in the top four - Wenger or an unidentified replacement?

It really is very, very simple. I can't think why you're avoiding answering it :)

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[Monty91]

that the club requires each year, over an unidentified replacement. This has something to do with him achieving this f or 16 years in a row, and the massive, massive uncertainty that comes with a change in management, as seen at several other clubs.

[R.C. Celebrating the return of Trophies]

wouldnt replace him but would issue him with clear instructions that:
The FA cup is a trophy we want to win as a club
Fourth place is not a trophy
We do not sell our best players to our title rivals
Training will include defensive coaching
players will be motivated to work like dogs for their money
He attend a course on effective substitutions at Fergies workshop
That the ethos of the club is to win win win,
Its not his job to worry about money but to produce a team/squad capable of and driven to challenge for every competition we enter.

[R.C. Celebrating the return of Trophies]

easy KPIs to achieve

[R.C. Celebrating the return of Trophies]

[7evens]

I'm just fed up with the bloke and feel that after 16 years he's had a fair crack of the whip.

Not an unreasonable or irrational position, given the tenure and current impass.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

Ok then.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

[Ashberto]

or government minister with no basis of reality.

[Monty91]

of whether he'd stake his own money on a change.

[7evens]

A lame comment and a lame position Halfshark.

This is only Football mate. Not life and death.

Throw some caution to the wind. The blokes becoming an introspective bore.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

Rather than a flight of whimsy on your part?

And I don't think we have 'not been doing too badly', I think we have been doing fantastically well given the circumstances.

I can see a future where we no longer have a world class manager who enables us to remain in the elite despite our comparatively humble resources.

[7evens]

Just so we're clear

[Monty91]

over an unidentified replacement.

What's yours on? In your own time... http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/smile.gif

[7evens]

[7evens]

Not sure your doom peddling is on the same hymn sheet as the people who manage and run the club.

[Monty91]

Presumably your confidence comes from seeing how this has worked for other clubs.....oh.

[7evens]

Things can always go either way but I'd prefer to take the positive initiative and say that the potential benefits would outweigh the negatives of complacency incumbent within a club who aren't likely to improve under the current structure. Least of all under a manager who hasn't improved the squad in the last few years.
Neither do I buy into all of this horse **** about not having the resources either. We've spent a fair amount buying the wrong players in the last couple of seasons.
That famous trolley dash was a bloody embarrasment.
Arteta and Cazorla aside, he's made some very poor signings in recent years.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Don't see the fuss here at all.

[R.C. Celebrating the return of Trophies]

[R.C. Celebrating the return of Trophies]

driven purely by financial reasons with no drive for actual on field success (trophies.
Might as well be selling big issue

[Monty91]

The only clubs to have achieved consistency in the league are those that have stuck with the same manager.

Every other club with aspirations of finishing top four has had a high turnaround of managers and has failed.

[redgunamo]

That's the chief executive's job.

The manager is supposed to be driven by the footballistic impossible, fulfilling the hopes and dreams of the fans with regards to their team on the pitch.

"I am still hopeful we can go through the season unbeaten." That's what we want to hear, that's the stuff to give the troops!

"What is unbelievable is that I am in a position where people reproach me for making a profit"; not so much.

[Peter]

Your oerall argument is utter nonsense anyway.