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Classic Jorge
12-13-2012, 11:29 PM
Bloody hell, Tel. Fair play to the rapey oligarch though, he does have a point.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/13/thierry-henry -arsenal-usmanov (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/13/thierry-henry-arsenal-usmanov)

Arsène Wenger needs Thierry Henry in support, says Alisher Usmanov
• Arsenal's second largest shareholder calls for key Henry role
• Wenger expected to re-sign Red Bulls player on loan deal

Alisher Usmanov has told Thierry Henry not to return to Arsenal for a second loan spell next month. The club's second largest shareholder would prefer Arsenal to appoint him to a permanent post that could support the manager Arsène Wenger.

Usmanov feels that club ought to have plans for Henry in a non-playing capacity and he does not want them to allow him to slip through their fingers on retirement, as another Arsenal legend, Patrick Vieira, has done. Vieira works at Manchester City as the club's development executive.

Usmanov, who has been refused a seat on the Arsenal board due to his ideological differences with the majority shareholder Stan Kroenke, is a supporter of Wenger but he believes that the manager needs more football people around him. It is unclear whether Wenger, to whom delegation is not a strong suit, would agree with the notion.

Wenger is expected to re-sign Henry from the New York Red Bulls on a short-term contract for the second successive January, as he seeks to stabilise after enduring the worst start to a Premier League season of his 16-year tenure, which was compounded by the Capital One Cup elimination at League Two Bradford City on Tuesday. Usmanov, though, offered a fresh take on the old maxim about never going back.

"The presence of a champion can radically change the soul of a team, that's what Thierry Henry showed last year when he came back to Arsenal. But I think that comebacks only succeed once," Usmanov said. "That's why I think the decision to come back belongs only to Thierry."

"I don't have any powers in terms of decisions at the club but there are a few players with whom I am in contact," Usmanov told the French newspaper L'Equipe. "My favourite is probably Thierry. He should be involved at the club but not as a player. He has another role to play, a more important role. Take the example of Patrick Vieira at Manchester City. He is also a symbol of Arsenal but he is helping another club. We have to avoid that with Thierry."

Henry has known Usmanov for several years and he sometimes socialises with him, which could lead to raised eyebrows, given Usmanov's status as the bitter rival of Kroenke, the chief executive Ivan Gazidis and the club's other directors. But Henry has a connection to Usmanov through his agent Darren Dein, who is the son of David, the former Arsenal vice-chairman.

Dein Sr sold his shares in Arsenal to Usmanov in August 2007, making £75m, four months after he had left the club, citing "irreconcilable differences" between himself and the rest of the board. He favoured Usmanov taking over the club and funding it with his personal fortune.

Meanwhile, Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, the former Arsenal director and the club's honorary vice-president, has criticised Kroenke via her Twitter account, accusing him of caring "very little" about Arsenal.

"Why he wanted to be part of AFC I do not know," she wrote. "If making money was the motivating factor, surely there are better ways. Football is a business of passion and SK [Kroenke] has no passion for AFC."

Peter
12-13-2012, 11:31 PM

Ashberto
12-13-2012, 11:33 PM
Darren Dein, the agent behind the departure of most of our best players in recent years.

Classic Jorge
12-13-2012, 11:39 PM
If his dad cared for the club as much as people seem to think he does then I doubt very much his son would be doing that to him.

Classic Jorge
12-13-2012, 11:43 PM
I've always assumed we'd see Henry back in one form or another, even more so after last season. Though there have been several stories about van persie's nose being royally put out of joint by the whole business.

On the whole though, I think he makes a great mascot.

Billy Goat Sverige
12-13-2012, 11:45 PM

JJSB
12-13-2012, 11:46 PM
and sabotage the club if he ever came back on board

Peter
12-13-2012, 11:57 PM
was fake then he is a far better actor than i would ever have imagined.

I dont want henry coming into this situation. It could go horribly wrong. With the pressure wenger is currently under it will provide a nasty bit of imagery-trading on past glories, not the force of old, time is up etc etc. Easy ammunition for the vultures.

And lets be honest- i love henry but a 35 year old on a month's contact is not what we need right now. In some ways it could be considered an insult.

Classic Jorge
12-13-2012, 11:58 PM

Peter
12-13-2012, 11:58 PM
And then leaving?

Really?

Classic Jorge
12-13-2012, 11:59 PM
Henry and another striker I can see, Henry on his own will be a disaster.

Peter
12-13-2012, 11:59 PM

Classic Jorge
12-14-2012, 12:01 AM
I'm just pointing out that the creosoted failed fruit and veg salesman is hardly the martyred saint he's made out to be.

Classic Jorge
12-14-2012, 12:03 AM
Even if Usmanov managed to get a seat on the board.

Ashberto
12-14-2012, 12:03 AM
every time they get their client to change club?

Really?

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:04 AM
This time the situation is a little less pleasant. A fading symbol of what we once were is not the best solution.

I honestly dont see us doing much business in january, if any. As i said previously, the worst possible thing we could do is bring in more ordinary/half decent players. It has to be quality or nothing, and quality is hard to find in january.

Classic Jorge
12-14-2012, 12:05 AM
But they are both quite a long way down the list of the type of players we need right now.

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:06 AM
They dont all move though do they? The notion that dein made some extra special effort to move our players out as some kind of retribution is laughable.

Kind of ignores the myriad of hugely obvious and justifiable reasons for why they may hae wanted to leave.

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:08 AM
And would want to come to us in january, it starts to look like a very short list indeed.

Spending huge in january is almost an admission that you got it wrong in the summer.

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:09 AM

Classic Jorge
12-14-2012, 12:09 AM
It's all based on the patronage darren would have got from dave, dave knowing full well that darren would make money out of it.

Not a thought to his "beloved" arsenal. The club he made £75m out of.

Classic Jorge
12-14-2012, 12:10 AM

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:12 AM
And i am not currently addressing you. Well i am currently addressing you, i meant i wasnt addessing you in my previous post but saying 'i wasnt previously addressing you' would have been confusing whereas this....

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:14 AM
And there was plenty to admire about hoddle as a player. He was dennis' hero as a boy, and that is DEFINITELY good enough for me.

Ashberto
12-14-2012, 12:36 AM
the point here is that Darren Dein does not represent the interests of Arsenal FC.

Peter
12-14-2012, 12:49 AM
based on the fact that his son is an agent for seeral players who left.

His son literally doesnt represent the interests of the club in any way whatsoever. It hardly needs pointing out.

Dorset Gooner
12-14-2012, 09:02 AM

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12-14-2012, 04:09 PM
it's gone deeper than that now.