I am highly amused by the idea that a defeat in the League Cup quarters

[Hillary]

would trigger the sacking of our most successful manager of all time.

[7evens]

We could then forget all about last night completely.

[Paul Vaessen's moment of glory]

league cup defeat, you patronizing sod! You really are cosmically up your own arse, aren't you http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/****er.gif http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/smile.gif

[Hillary]

And if you think for a moment they will, you're insane.

[Pokster]

and the fact that last night was a crap performance just adds to the reasons some people want a change in direction?

Or am I being a bit thick???

[Arsenes' Wanger- Bring back Modd]

Gerv at striker should tell you all you need to know how badly Arsene has run this club down. Todays result is proof.

[Hillary]

many times in the past. **** happens.

[East Upper for Supper]

[Paul Vaessen's moment of glory]

[Hillary]

[7evens]

Conversely, it's pretty short sighted in footballing terms to make out that there isn't something of a crisis going on at the club

[Pokster]

that is causing concern... we should have a natural advantage after being in the CL for so long but that doesn't seem to be the case imho

[Hillary]

[East Upper for Supper]

and damn them to hell for making us lose to Bradford, Brimingham, Norwich and all the other f**ked up performances over the past seasons since they damn well got rich.

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

[Hillary]

[Classic Jorge]

[7evens]

Or many of the other poor results against sides that are financial minnows in relation to us.

[East Upper for Supper]

[Pokster]

even you must realise we are not exactly moving forward as a football club

[Hillary]

Happens every season.

[East Upper for Supper]

[Pokster]

[Hillary]

[Hillary]

said that Wenger is not going to be sacked because of it. And he won't be.

[East Upper for Supper]

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

I would suggest that your comment isn't entirely accurate

[Hillary]

[Fast Eddie :L:]

First you claim that those who are overtly critical of him are using our debt as an excuse for our failures and you respond with "you want us to end up like Leeds etc" or some other bollox, yet you yourselves are using the lack of investment as an excuse now. Make up your minds, which is it?

The reasons I'm seeing more of those critical of AW are more of his tactics and strategy than of the debt situation

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

[Peter]

A thumping in the fa cup at swansea? A hammering in the champions league? A gradual slide down the league to tenth?

The evidence in front of you is of a team in rapid decline. It seems a little silly to ignore and focus on individual results and which of them may or may not trigger a response.

But if we must, i would say that the failure of your first team to cope with a league 2 side is arguably as good as any.

[Hillary]

['Neg]

...and it's not like they all weren't putting in any effort. They were completely lacking in quality.

[Pokster]

for better players has cost us in 2 ways, some of the better players leave, we can't get rid of the average ones as nobody else would pay them that

[Hillary]

are deliberately stockpiling money for.....something?

[Peter]

Weaker and weaker?

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

before that happens.......

[Pokster]

I am not saying going into debt is a good thing, but some debt isn't always a bad thing

[Peter]

For another two years and watch us slide further and further down the league.

Honestly, that is ridiculous. Even the board wont wait that long.

[Hillary]

But we do have to accept that our chances of attracting the best players is greatly diminished, as there are three other clubs in the country who can ALWAYS outbid us and we can't possibly offer them the probability of league titles as we used to.

Abramovich changed the whole shooting match and, unless we sell to the Uzbec, we ain't in that game anymore.

[Hillary]

He has surely earned that.

[Peter]

Which is kind pf the point isnt it?

Even in the context of resources, this isnt good enough and itis getting worse. We know we cant really compte but we can do better than this. I just dont think arsene can.

Honestly, i think ithas run its course now. I love him but i honestly dont think he can turn this around. We need a manager who can get more out of a group of fairly ordinary players. The quality that wenger needs just isnt there nymore and isnt going to be.

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

so the speculate to accumulate does have some merit

[Hillary]

[Hillary]

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

has bid for any of our unwanted players??? It doesn't take a genius to work it out

[Peter]

If we cant get better players into this squad he is the wrong man to lead them. It just doesnt suit his approach.

Something has to give and as the alterntive to him leaving would probsbly cost around 100 million quid in fees and wages, it isnt realitic.

He is going. Itis only a question of how long we want to leave it.

[Pokster]

whatever way you want to look at it, so they either have a better manager who is making the most of his resources or we have coaches/manager who can't get the best out of our superior resources

[Hillary]

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

[Peter]

Either eay, we are reallyjust waiting now. Its over.