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plastic james
11-13-2012, 03:31 PM
we pay just under 20 million a year for the stadium debt, the sum will not transform the club or make us competitive, its the price of ONE decent player, not even a world class player.


the only thing a debt free arsenal becomes is a more attractive package for buyers, ie a debt free club.


instead of listening to the nonsense of the board and the owner, here is deloitte anual football finance analysis. have a look

http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-Sweden/Local%20Assets/Do cuments/FootballMoneyLeague%202012-uk-sbg-dfml-2012-final120 209.pdf (http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-Sweden/Local%20Assets/Documents/FootballMoneyLeague%202012-uk-sbg-dfml-2012-final120209.pdf)

let me highlight 3 points

1 - matchday income constitute 41% of arsenal's income, 26% for real, 25% for barca, 22% for bayern, 15% for milan and 16% for inter. this figure will decrease every years as it has done during the last decade. the future of football income is broadcast and comercial revenues.

2 - broadcast and commercial revenues are linked to performance, if you build a strong team and win stuff, more money will head your way. the economic model of our current board which is getting by til we repay our stadium debt will see us get less and less money in broadcast and commercial revenues and will only take us further back, whether we repay the stadium or not. ofcourse if you plan to sell the club once it has no debt like kroenke is, its the next owners problem to deal with this issue, who will have to spend big money to increase the appeal of the club again.

3 - our revenue has not increased since 2006, then again it cant, the fans already pay more than any fans in the world, while its difficult to get attractive commercial deals when your not winning and losing stars.

just look at the yearly revenue table

2006
real madrid 351 million euro
manu 315 million euro
barcelona 290 million euro
arsenal 263 million euro
bayern 223 million euro

2010
real madrid 438 million
barcelona 398 million
manu 349 million
bayenr 323 million
arsenal 274 million

2011
real madrid 479 million
barcelona 450 mliion
manu 367 million
bayern 321 million
arsenal 251 million


the picture is clear, ambitious clubs with stars earn more money and can then spend even more to become richer. non ambitious clubs like us lose money and ground, we've lost alot of ground to these elite teams, clubs like shcalke, dortmund, liverpool, tottenham, psg, juve milan inter, and russian clubs will earn more than us or come close during the next few years.

the idea of FFP making us competitive even if it works, which it doubtful, is a fantasy. clubs rely more than ever less on stadium income and that trend will grow, a shiny new stadium will not make us serious money or even competitive, an ambitious owner will.

Monty91
11-13-2012, 03:39 PM
once Wenger leaves (presumably within the next 4-5 years and possibly as soon as 2014)?

What are the chances of us being able to attract the quality of manager we will need to replace him without the promise of a bigger transfer kitty?

Peter
11-13-2012, 03:40 PM

Peter
11-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Nobody is probably the answer.

Maybe we should just accept that we cant co pete woth the likes of city, united and chelsea and that is that. Hence 4th place is actually winning the league.

So winningit every season is remarkable isnt it. Well done arsene http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/bow.gif

Monty91
11-13-2012, 03:44 PM
along with 16 other clubs in the premier league.

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 03:46 PM

Classic Jorge
11-13-2012, 03:48 PM

Snin
11-13-2012, 03:49 PM
it dosent really exist for us..its manna from heaven...ignore it

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 03:50 PM
Most of our trophies have been unlikely, in any case.

Classic Jorge
11-13-2012, 03:51 PM

Free SL
11-13-2012, 03:58 PM
also show our current kit/sponsor deals which are grossly undervalued (by as much as £30/£35M combined if we were to hit the heights of United/Chelsea/Liverpool deals)

So we would be circa £55M better off per year, which is pretty much the difference between us being where we are, and being where the others are if spent.

Monty91
11-13-2012, 03:58 PM
in recent years, the arrival of billionaire benefactors, moving stadium, the footballing culture of the club entirely turned on its head, we are basically where we've been for the best part of a century, out on our own, clinging onto the coat tails of the hegemonic elite.

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 04:04 PM
We're f**ked http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/cloudnine.gif

plastic james
11-13-2012, 04:07 PM
head cant see what his dealing with. no manager would be able to keep us in the top4 without getting quality players while losing those he creates.

wenger is keeping this club together and like you said it can only get worse

Monty91
11-13-2012, 04:08 PM

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 04:10 PM

plastic james
11-13-2012, 04:14 PM
1- the figures here include money we got from the highbury project which we will not get in the future

2 - our new commercial deals will reflect our position and the number of stars we have, by the time we get new commercial deals, other top teams will get new deals which are even higher.

the way we behave now, will not generate more commercial money. in fact teams behind us are more likely to get closer.

in 2005 the idea of spurs competing with us was a joke, in 2012 its a reality, we're bot competing for 4th....who is to say in 2017 they wont be ahead of us and thus command more money?

JJSB
11-13-2012, 04:17 PM

plastic james
11-13-2012, 04:31 PM
i've seen ppl suggest moyes and O'Neil which means we've giving up, these are the type of managers that can make a bunch of average players hard to beat but can never dictate a game or even have their own attacking philosophy. which means they will do well in certain big games but struggle to break down most of the lesser teams during a season....those type of managers do not win a league title.

geroge graham made this misstake, he played with an attacking purpose initially as he won the league, he became more defensive and his team became a cup team, able to beat big clubs in one of game but plain average in the league.

wenger's talent, attacking style, and experience is why we keep qualifying for the CL.

Stroller
11-13-2012, 05:54 PM

Peter
11-13-2012, 06:46 PM
Like the domestic cups. You know, like the other sixteen clubs.

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 06:49 PM
At least, I think it's the first time http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/smile.gif

Peter
11-13-2012, 06:50 PM
Ill ignore your snipe by the way. I have had a ghastly day at work.

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 07:00 PM
We all remember Real Madrid and Barcelona going at it hammer & tongs trying to win Spain's "Mickey Mouse cup" the other year, don't we. And over two legs, mark you!

Stirring stuff, it was.

Peter
11-13-2012, 07:04 PM
The money is in the bank. We have no chance of winning it, so just stick the kids in, focus on the cups.

Trouble is if we do that we join the league of ordinary clubs. Although that might be inevitable anyway, or has already happened.

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 07:15 PM
And I say that as somebody who doesn't go to games anymore so would have no chance of getting tickets.

Peter
11-13-2012, 10:16 PM
Finishing one place higher in the league earns you more.

There is always the 'romance' of it i suppose http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

redgunamo
11-13-2012, 10:38 PM