I watched some of the xfactor on Saturday. It really is a deeply unpleasant show, isn’t it.

[Monty91]

Leaving aside the societal damage it unarguably wreaks, where is the enjoyment in watching a 'competition' that is so transparently fixed and pre-planned, performed almost entirely by utter mediocrities?

[Free SL]

are the first few episodes when you can laugh at some of the loons that audition.

[NOT Nicosia. Now banned.]

[redgunamo]

[plastic james]

my stupid wife loves it, every time she watches it i leave the house. in fact i leave the house every time she has the remote control

[Supermac1976]

[Classic Jorge]

Her off of the Pussyflap Moles

[Classic Jorge]

I thought you were about 19

[Pokster]

[plastic james]

[Monty91]

with an even more ludicrously hyperbolic, hammed up, insincere, crock of **** than the last. By the end it was beyond parody.

[Monty91]

and the little verbal fights between them are also heavily scripted.

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

even Monty's intelligence.

[Monty91]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

over the last few years) I would say it isn't fixed... if it was fixed i would say that the 2 groups who have had more commercial success since it started would have won... they didn't

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Snin]

[Pokster]

[Classic Jorge]

I am subjected to it from time to time though, serves me right for not running a mile to begin with.

[Monty91]

[Pokster]

[Brentwood]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

viewer but it's not realistic to suggest they fix the voting. Anyone who thinks that is as thick as the people they ridicule for watching it.

[Brentwood]

and Twitter talking about how funny it is that one judge said the other judge had bad breath, and I really think they believe that is all real

[plastic james]

good laugh at other peoples expense, however i just cant take moron after moron coming to the mic and making noise....i hardly like professional music, cant waste energy on amateurs

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Peter]

Fixed.

[Monty91]

in a bath of baked beans?

[Pokster]

[Pokster]

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Peter]

And then genuinely, fairly considered on the basis of their performance is laughable.

I didnt say they fixed the vote although you telling me it definitely isnt fixed is as absurd as me insisting it is.

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

For the second time they chose not to.

One example. Do you really think the judges dont know the outcome of the vote before they decide who to save?

Really?

[Monty91]

So even if it isn't, it makes no difference.

[Pokster]

I don't think they can fix the viewer vote..... been tightened up a lot since revelations came out about how phone comp's had been manipulated

[Hillary]

not to mention all the footage of them outside of the show, the publicity in the papers and the comments of the judges. That's quite a lot of power he has there.

[Pokster]

[Peter]

And you can have a huge influence over the resultwithout touching the voting process.

[Pokster]

[Pokster]

so does it matter who they get to win it ?

[Hillary]

[Pokster]

and if an act they want to get into the final is constantly in the bottom 2 they must gather they wont be much of a commercail success

[Peter]

Than that they describe them as 'artists' http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

[Peter]

It is hugely manipulated but it doesnt matter who wins anyway http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/smile.gif

[redgunamo]

[Peter]