Nicosia, feel free to accept whatever crap you are being sold

[Yesterday Once More]

But please don't pretend as you did only last season that the majority of Arsenal fans are behind the board or Wenger now. Take yourself outside of the cosy comfort blanket of this board where you can delude yourself that you are the true voice of the fans, and have a look at what other, larger, more representative sites are saying.

Here is the consensus on the Gooner, for starters

http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php?section=editorial&am p;id=390 (http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php?section=editorial&id=390)

So what do you think, 70% behind Wenger? Maybe only 60% now? Or are the vast majority of Arsenal fans actually realising that he is complicit in the year-on-year decline of our once great club because he is coasting in a job where he is not expected to win anything.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

The fat c**t Highbury Spy, Highbury ******** more like.

I'm not a fan of rosey tinted *******s either, realism is the way forward but to try and use the Gooner as a realistic fans perspective.

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[Luis Anaconda]

Wenger when it is clearly nonsense

[Mack]

I thought we were great more than once tbh. Been pretty ****e a fair few times too.

[Yesterday Once More]

Surely no-one here is going to claim AWIMB's views are any more weighty or worthy than fans on another forum? That would be arrogance of the highest order.

[Brentwood]

Villas Boas, Martin Jol etc. In other words, managers at the top of their game, revered throughout Europe.

What then? Why would the new manager be an improvement on Wenger, with access to the same sort of money? You've seen below that we are competing with squads which cost a quarter of a billion pounds,, so how does the new guy do that then?

[Monty91]

[PSRB]

that much is obvious to you, surely?

[andy smith]

you can see that the editorial is going strongly influence or even dictate the responses?

[Yesterday Once More]

Along with a new coach we need a change of direction from the board - less conservative, less reliant on FFP, and more willing to be pragmatic to compete.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

This board has as many idiots than any of the others.

When you have every Tom, Dick and Rich free reign to express their views on the internet you have to expect utter *******s to follow.

There's an element of Arsenal support which are anti-Wenger, probably grows year on year, more vociferous than normal after the past 7 days. But no way a majority.

[Brentwood]

[andy smith]

stadium - surely the most representative place possible - was when he took Oxlade-Chamberlain off in the United game last year. It's not like it's a streaming torrent of abuse/anti-Wenger chanting all game, every game.

[Yesterday Once More]

along with a change in direction from the board.

[Ashberto]

[East Upper for Supper]

[Monty91]

I hope so http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/smile.gif

[Brentwood]

Persisting with a keeper we weren't happy with because we wouldn't pay Fulham's asking price for Schwarzer was one example that annoyed me

Once you start talking about the astronomical fees being paid at the top, between City, Chelsea and Utd, we can't possibly build a squad that could or should expect to finish above them. So, until FFP comes into place, it make sense to be happy that we finish a nice third place behind them and hope we get lucky in a knockout competition in the meantime

If FFP fails to achieve what we expect it to, then we put pressure on UEFA to make it work, or we change our strategy

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Natural parting of ways at the expiration of his current deal.

[andy smith]

So did I, for that matter.

Not something I'm remotely proud of confessing to but it happened.

[Johnny1886]

[Monty91]

[Yesterday Once More]

I wouldn't condone it, of course, but I would love to see the responses you get!!

[PSRB]

you'd get about 10% wanting that

[Monty91]

an entire paragraph of one of his columns to slagging me off.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

If it was him out and Guardiola in for example you'd find a fair few biting.

Wenger's stock has fallen considerably from untouchable to now being openly questioned. There is no doubt his legacy is somewhat tainted. Sad really.

[Monty91]

overhaul) will do everything in their power to make him stay, and that could be decisive.

[Yesterday Once More]

Just pick up a statistic and throw it out there....it might be right, ya never know!

[Luis Anaconda]

No matter how much you claim it the majority does not want Wenger out

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[East Upper for Supper]

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[Yesterday Once More]

[Luis Anaconda]

[East Upper for Supper]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

He'll be 65 at a guess, perfect scenario as opposed to tying himself into a deal which will take him close to being 70.


Can't be good for a man of that age.

He has re-invented the club, not sure what else there is to do.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Brentwood]

They should have studied harder at school :rich:

[Yesterday Once More]

that he is staying on well beyond his sell-by date.

[Luis Anaconda]

Should be the only man on the list imo

[Monty91]

[PSRB]

and no I wasn't counting the Paraguayan U-15 supporters club. I was thinking along the lines of Platinum, Gold and Silver members.....as in those that attend matches. An it's a fair assumption, in fact probably generous, based on the lack of chanting or general comments heard of Wenger out

[Monty91]

[PSRB]

which would cost almost the same as a season ticket......

[Monty91]

[PSRB]

[Brentwood]

Has any manager in the past 20 years, apart from Wenger, won the league with a team that cost less than the second place team?

[East Upper for Supper]

[Ashberto]

Many times you've been asked what level of debt you'd like to take on to have us competing with the financially bigger clubs, but I haven't noticed you responding so far.

[Luis Anaconda]

You can't as has been pointed out - the one place your point could be properly proved is in the confines of the stadium and that simply isn't the case is it?

[Luis Anaconda]

which shows his argument that the majority want a change of manager as completely groundless. He won't answer because there isn't one

[Frimmers]

More than once, I'd guess.

[Luis Anaconda]

given that Chelsea spent 30 million on Shevchenko on top of everything else. Obviously United's team was hardly cheap

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

[Brentwood]

And he has always had a super expensive squad to play with, and is probably the best manager of all time

I don't know why people expect somebody fresh to come in and to be able to do this

[Brentwood]

afford, know better than us. Hence the word possibly

OK, I'll be bold and say that we could definitely have safely bought Schwarzer

[Luis Anaconda]

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

years now. We ended up playing with Mannone in goal despite the fact that both he and Fabianski were free to leave but nobody wanted them. Wenger knew that both were not good enough. He did not buy with the wish that WS would play 90% of the games. This is just an example of many from the past years. Players like NB52, Denilson, Almunia, Fabianksi, Mannone, Eboue, Vela, Ramsey and so many others should not be sitting on the bench of previous Arsenal teams. We ended up trying to loan everyone because nobody wants them with their current contracts because Wenger pays them lucrative wages to keep them together for lots of years, but that is not happening is it? I've got lots more to argue but I still love and admire Wenger for his contribution to the club. BUT things could be a lot better with a few changes...

[Red N White Army]

Season ticket holders? Online boards/forums? Twitter? Club members? It's a rather bold statement imo

[Nicosia Gooner]

[Brentwood]

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

[PSRB]

bought LB cover (ok not very good cover but still cover) and lots of exciting youth players coming through. Gnabry, Eisfeld, Aneke, Yennaris, etc

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

of depth last year, was it? So all in all he didn't add depth. Are you happy with our squad depth??? This is an honest question.

[Luis Anaconda]

Much like 90 percent of the teams in the premier league or more really. Chelsea have 1 and a half strikers

[PSRB]

yes I'd like another striker and said that before the season started.....and possibly a LB but we are not massively lacking depth

[PSRB]

[redgunamo]

[redgunamo]

Oh, I see what you mean.

Sorry.

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

Only Giroud and he doesn't use him.
Only Arteta (he took a gamble but credit to him)

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

[PSRB]

[Luis Anaconda]

have Arteta, Diaby, Wilshere, Ramsey, Coquelin, Frimpong who can play as part of the two, plus at a push Djourou or Vermaelen. Not exactly lacking there

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

and Flamini were the last good DMs we had. Even Song was not fully committed to the position. Maybe Coquelin & Frimpong in time... Diaby, Wilshere & Ramsey are not players that can play more than the odd game as DM.

[redgunamo]

And how sad http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/smile.gif

[PSRB]

[redgunamo]

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

that in order to bring someone in, another one needs to leave. Nobody wanted Fabianski or Vito so we were left with 2 keepers we knew were not good enough. As simple as that. He gambled that WS would play 90% of the games and that the other 2 could fill for a few games. Gambled & lost in a position Wenger is not that successful. May I remind you the Almunia case (and about 7-8 other failed keepers he brought in the team)?

[PSRB]

the club has financial constraints to work within and we can't just go and buy the players we/AW wants. Look at spurs, spent considerably more than us and never finished above us during Arsene's tenure and are still stuck in that poxy stadium!! People forget that if wasn't for AW we'd either be at Highbury and diminishing in stature to the size of an Everton or Aston Villa or playing at bloody Wembley!

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]