I had bad thoughts about Hillsborough. This was so wrong. I feel a bit embarrassed today

[kilburn_ralph]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/hillsborough-document s-released-brian-reade-1318730#.UFB_mutQIxk.twitter (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/hillsborough-documents-released-brian-reade-1318730#.UFB_mutQIxk.twitter)

[Guns 'n' Roses]

as a result of a pitch invasion at Highbury, because Arsenal refused to put fences between the supporters and the pitch, the FA deemed Highbury as not suitable to host an FA cup semi final.

[Mack]

bollox. I'd forgotten how bad it was:
'Some fans picked pockets of victims. Some fans urinated on the brave cops. Some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life...drunken Liverpool fans viciously attacked rescue workers as they tried to revive victims and police officers, firemen and ambulance crews were punched, kicked and urinated upon'
http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/frown.gif

[Monty91]

and general ill-health, culminating in a protracted and agonising death.

[Luis Anaconda]

Mackenzie lost it that night as is well documented in a Guardian article on it all


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/oct/17/sun-h illsborough-disaster (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/oct/17/sun-hillsborough-disaster)

[Classic Jorge]

Darren Anderton starred and subsequently went to spurs

[Ashberto]

The Sun was amplifying and spouting the prejdices of the day. I also have it on good authority that Kelvin MacKenzie was a particularly odious piece of ****. His son was, too, from personal experience. Lovely wife though, oddly.

[Luis Anaconda]

semi held there pre Hillsborough Everton Southampton in 84.

[Classic Jorge]

Given the city was pretty much a socialist republic at the time

[Luis Anaconda]

we didn't hold them for about 8 years though

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Luis Anaconda]

before she went very weird

[Luis Anaconda]

I think so yes

[Mack]

[Mack]

[Monty91]

a police officer?

Indeed, it seems a lot of them did, and the objection was with the fact that the Sun presented it as gospel.

Sheds a slightly different light on it...

[Mack]

[Pat Vegas]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Monty91]

why does the Sun stand accused of lying?

[Luis Anaconda]

if you repeat a lie you are lying particularly when you dress it up as THE TRUTH http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif That isn't a difficult concept surely

[Monty91]

was a senior police officer and an MP, surely it is possible that the Sun did believe what it had been told?

[Red N White Army]

[Luis Anaconda]

and it wasn't. The defence, you believed what you have been told is not a particularly strong one when there was no corroborating evidence

[Red N White Army]

[Monty91]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Monty91]

Repeating a lie in the belief that it is true is not lying.

[wibble the lobster]

{mind you to be fair even saddam at one stage was saying he had them and would use them}

on hillsborough, it was always strongly suspected that the police had spun to protect themselves. Can't say I ever swallowed the sun story in that case,

[Luis Anaconda]

grand schemes of these ridiculous semantics? I am really not sure why you arguing. They printed lies/ they lied it really doesn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Repeated a libel because you believe it to be true is no defence in a libel case should it turn out to be false - you will still have libelled someone. No difference here http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/judge.gif

[Monty91]

, they decided there was no requirement for corroboration.

Of course, there would also have been commercial imperatives. It was a great splash to go with in the immediate aftermath of a huge national tragedy.

The same reason the papers went with Bin Laden's face after 9/11 as soon as it was suggested he was the perpetrator.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Monty91]

of an uncorroborated claim.

All newspapers do it, when a) the source is impeccable b) there is no risk of being sued.