[Curly]

Fair play to all involved *if* they just said fúck it


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lockedin-synd rome-sufferer-tony-nicklinson-dies-of-pneumonia-less-than-a- week-after-losing-a-legal-challenge-for-the-right-to-end-his -life-8072884.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lockedin-syndrome-sufferer-tony-nicklinson-dies-of-pneumonia-less-than-a-week-after-losing-a-legal-challenge-for-the-right-to-end-his-life-8072884.html)

[The Rob2]

[7evens]

He only wanted to end his own personal suffering.

Why the f**king courts have to pontificate over the question of murder in a supervised situation like this, is beyond me mate

[Curly]

[Classic Jorge]

[Rich]

person in a similar situation saying 'well he was allowed to'. The courts made the only decision they could sensibly make.

[Curly]

[Classic Jorge]

As a medical man, are you pro or anti euthanasia? I mean, is it hard to square it with the hypocratic oath?

[7evens]

The upshot is that this poor bloke has had to resort to starving himself to death, in the light of their decision.

Something doesn't sit right with me and I'm sure many others in the way the courts handle these situations.

[Rich]

[7evens]

[Curly]

There's the law and there's right.

[Rich]

I were to participate in it.

[Classic Jorge]

I'm not altogether sure why we cant act to legalise it in some form or another, it may be difficult for medical staff to do it and it's impossible for the clergy to.

The practicalities of it are very, very complex. How do you actually go about doing it?

This is the stuff that needs sorting

[Brentwood]

that much more painful?

Why couldn't they just have dangled a cyanide tablet from the ceiling, inches from his mouth, left the room and let him eat it voluntarily?

[7evens]

that effectively terminate life.

The blokes heart won't fully recover following several attacks, therefore we won't attempt to resus if he starts to slip. etc

[Classic Jorge]

If you have an animal who is ill will you keep it alive until it dies in terrible pain?

I'm not digging here, genuinely interested. Also, what's the instruction on this stuff?

[Classic Jorge]

[The Rob2]

[Brentwood]

[Classic Jorge]

[7evens]

[Rich]

people would die that didn't ultimately want to die.

I've met people with terminal illnesses that have been dreadfully depressed at the start, but once they become used to their care routine and family having to take up different roles that they feel extremely angry and selfish that they had genuinely considered euthanasia abroad.

A Doctor can make the decision not to revive a patient during the terminal phase when death is imminent anyway. The attention would have switched to palliative care by this time and if the patient isn't suffering because they're unconscious and, in the Doctor's opinion, there is no prospect of them coming out of coma then care can be withdrawn.

It has to be done with the full consultation of the family, where possible, though.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

Once more, in this country, we are damned by our taste for compromise

[Rich]

but you can't legislate for those.

[Classic Jorge]

[Curly]

[redgunamo]

Hard to argue that somebody who may be at death's door doesn't fall into this category, whatever their own views on the matter may be.

[Classic Jorge]

It seems to be something that brings out the patrician in people quite easily.

It's nice to know that, as soon as you scratch the surface, there's a nanny state type under everybody's skin.

[redgunamo]

I was raised to believe in life. redgunamo family barbecues involve five generations of us, the very old and also the very young and everything in between.

I suspect you, despite your young family, speak as a single man for whom the world is full of young, strong, intelligent people who can look after themselves, as you can.

By your reckoning, are we all, as a society, to allow 14 year old prostitutes to just get on with it because they tell us that the money's decent and, in any case, it must be their decision?

[Classic Jorge]

I'm a bit Thomas Paine like that, I guess.

The whole 'I'm pro-life' thing is a little ridiculous, if you ask me. I'm more concerned with the lives people lead and what sort of life one can lead if trapped in somebody else's idealogical prison.

[redgunamo]

Anyway, you're making a political point; I'm talking about the way I roll everyday.

I'm not the most important person in this world.

[Classic Jorge]

Anyway, it's always comforting to see you think in a diametrically opposite way to me on an issue.

Just like the old days :waronturr:

[redgunamo]

How would you tackle the teenage prostitute question then? Or is saying it's their choice really, as I suspect, just a way of washing your hands of the whole thing; doing nothing, caring less?

Just asking.

[Classic Jorge]

And yes, of course it's meant fondly. Just because we fundamentally disagree it doesnt mean I dont respect your opinion.

[redgunamo]

You want to be the new Red Light Czar? Wage a War on Whores?

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

Most overrated artist since Prince

[redgunamo]

And this way, "we" also get to make a bit of money out of it. Not just them.

[redgunamo]

Of all the damn silly ideas. Everyone knows that they are very real and very lucrative.

[Classic Jorge]

Ass this to the social, political, environmental and agricultural damage it's done to all of the producing countries I dont think even the most ardent 'let's have a war on...' cheerleaders can claim that as a success

[redgunamo]

Every serious person understands that you can't keep people away from what they want. The best you can do is get your share of the winnings.

The WoT is merely this generation's WoD. Only better because it "deals" in the drug trade as well.

[Classic Jorge]

Like Neil Young sung, I think, "Keep on f**kin the Third World" http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/music.gif

[redgunamo]

Not everyone can be as understanding as you.

[Trixie Popsicle]

This has the potential to go from assisted suicide to something more sinister in a heartbeat.

[redgunamo]