Emery out!

[7sisters]

No, I’m sorry, you don’t get to do that. You don’t get to relentlessly trash the previous manager and his teams for years and then play the ‘Let’s all get behind the team” card as soon as things start getting shít with the new bloke in charge. It’s monstrous hypocrisy.
I’ll admit that my supposed antipathy to Emery started out as a satirical exercise: holding up a mirror to those who hounded Wenger out to show them what it was like dealing with irrational, spoiled, disloyal people who had become madly fixated on the manager as the source of all our problems.
However, it’s become slightly more complex as it’s grown increasingly clear that the new bloke actually may be a bit shít. Given this, watching those who wanted Wenger out squirm desperately to make excuses for the new guy they’d never have allowed for Wenger has added a whole new level of comedy.

Not having that. Wenger had over twenty years in the job. You can’t level accusations of short termism or hounding him out when it was abundantly obvious that all routes led to failure.
I’m not loyal to the new bloke in any way but I’m not about to start writing him off until I’m satisfied he’s walking the same green mile as Wenger, which isn’t just yet.

[Monty92]

Not having that. Wenger had over twenty years in the job. You can’t level accusations of short termism or hounding him out when it was abundantly obvious that all routes led to failure.
I’m not loyal to the new bloke in any way but I’m not about to start writing him off until I’m satisfied he’s walking the same green mile as Wenger, which isn’t just yet.

That's not quite true though, is it. Of course you didn't hound Wenger out after twenty years in the job. You hounded him out after about 8 years of achieving everything that could have been expected of him followed by two years of under-achievement. Which puts a rather different slant on things.

[redgunamo]

Which puts a rather different slant on things.

Not really. We've all been following football long enough to know that even great managers, enjoying universal support and acclaim, practically never survive even their own greatest achievements for too long. And if they do, they rarely come close to emulating them; there's usually a feeling of, Should've bowed out x-number of years before he did.

That just seems to be the way it works in football. In other walks of life, this is simply known as "Having a career."

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

It depends on your view, of course, but the tangible improvement lies simply in the fact that Wenger is no longer in charge, is no longer the manager. That's the big thing. Small matters like, How is the new manager getting on? Well, we've got the rest of history to fuss and fight over that.

Wenger leaving was as much for his own sake as it was for change at the club. Wenger still had a reputation to preserve. Who knows, he may still have one but his last 3 seasons have caused it to take a blow and people could see this coming... and for what, to provide a smokescreen for the owner and the board? The only way this could be seen was for Wenger to leave. He just left a couple of years too late.

Now that Wenger has gone, we will be able to see what the club are all about as no one will endure what Wenger had/chose to endure. Appointing Emery was perhaps a little underwhelming for some, particularly as he probably under-achieved at PSG, but maybe a logical appointment. There had to be a mutual benefit to both. A man trying to manage his slightly dented reputation and a club that won't throw money wildly. IF Arsenal had more money, would they have hired Emery How much will Emery endure to protect this board and owner? It depends but I could argue a lot less than Wenger.

What do we know that has happened since Wenger left? Perhaps Gazidis has decided that Wenger going removes some protection, so he sounded out his availability and ran as soon as he could?

Is Emery good enough? Time will tell and it will take at least, 2 full seasons. What we will find out is how much Wenger was really protecting the owner and the board inability/unwillingness to take the club forward on the pitch and how much was his own failings.

[redgunamo]

Same as at any other club really; it's always the manager's job to shield the board from criticism. When chairmen begin to worry about the paintwork on their new Benz, the manager's day's are usually numbered.

Emery would certainly have been on the list, imo, for any of the top clubs, not just us. Once Wenger went, the actual job offer would've just been about timing; who is actually available at that moment.

Thinking about it, maybe Gazidis was only hired to manage some sort of transition after all and he played a long game until he accomplished that mission (which you would, I guess, if you're on that kind of money). Don't forget these people (all except Wenger apparently) are career professionals and never actually intend to stay in any one job or at any one club for more than three or four years anyway. They're like old-school civil servants; they are responsible for starting a scheme, or for finishing it, but never for both. So any blame can be shared around or avoided.

Wenger leaving was as much for his own sake as it was for change at the club. Wenger still had a reputation to preserve. Who knows, he may still have one but his last 3 seasons have caused it to take a blow and people could see this coming... and for what, to provide a smokescreen for the owner and the board? The only way this could be seen was for Wenger to leave. He just left a couple of years too late.

Now that Wenger has gone, we will be able to see what the club are all about as no one will endure what Wenger had/chose to endure. Appointing Emery was perhaps a little underwhelming for some, particularly as he probably under-achieved at PSG, but maybe a logical appointment. There had to be a mutual benefit to both. A man trying to manage his slightly dented reputation and a club that won't throw money wildly. IF Arsenal had more money, would they have hired Emery How much will Emery endure to protect this board and owner? It depends but I could argue a lot less than Wenger.

What do we know that has happened since Wenger left? Perhaps Gazidis has decided that Wenger going removes some protection, so he sounded out his availability and ran as soon as he could?

Is Emery good enough? Time will tell and it will take at least, 2 full seasons. What we will find out is how much Wenger was really protecting the owner and the board inability/unwillingness to take the club forward on the pitch and how much was his own failings.

[eastgermanautos]

Same as at any other club really; it's always the manager's job to shield the board from criticism. When chairmen begin to worry about the paintwork on their new Benz, the manager's day's are usually numbered.

Emery would certainly have been on the list, imo, for any of the top clubs, not just us. Once Wenger went, the actual job offer would've just been about timing; who is actually available at that moment.

Thinking about it, maybe Gazidis was only hired to manage some sort of transition after all and he played a long game until he accomplished that mission (which you would, I guess, if you're on that kind of money). Don't forget these people (all except Wenger apparently) are career professionals and never actually intend to stay in any one job or at any one club for more than three or four years anyway. They're like old-school civil servants; they are responsible for starting a scheme, or for finishing it, but never for both. So any blame can be shared around or avoided.

All that makes sense, which is why Emery's mention of money is all the more noteworthy. He *should take a stand, which is what it looks like to me. Saying, no, this is what my redo of this club will cost. He's a finish carpenter, not a general contractor.

[AFC East]

That's not quite true though, is it. Of course you didn't hound Wenger out after twenty years in the job. You hounded him out after about 8 years of achieving everything that could have been expected of him followed by two years of under-achievement. Which puts a rather different slant on things.

Not even that really. He won the FA Cup the year before and finished 5th. Not an under-achievement for our current financial situation.

[Pokster]

Not even that really. He won the FA Cup the year before and finished 5th. Not an under-achievement for our current financial situation.

6th biggest football revenue in the world and you make out we have a "financial situation"..... couldn't make it up.

Wenger was happy to overpay for average players who then we couldn't move om. £350k a week for a player was a joke then, and an even bigger joke now.

[IUFG]

6th biggest football revenue in the world and you make out we have a "financial situation"..... couldn't make it up.

and I suppose that is at the root of the frustration for fans.

The Arsenal earn big money and charge the fans a fortune to see the team.
I wouldn't mind being milked so hard if we could regularly challenge for the title and see top quality players on the pitch in every position. To say we have no money for players is laughable when there are hundreds(?) of millions in the bank.

But I suppose we'll make do with Xhaka, Iwobi, Mustafi, et al whilst Stan buys up real estate for himself in the USA.
And that is also a point, innit? Football isn't for the Yanks because, quite simply, they don't understand it.

[redgunamo]

and I suppose that is at the root of the frustration for fans.

The club, and especially the manager, should never, ever mention money, imo.