Is Wenger being selfish?

[World's End Stella]

Well it is a tricky one Richard.

He shouldn’t really listen to fans, nor should any manager.

To walk away now, which I think he should, is to more or less admit he cannot see himself as capable of arresting whatever is wrong at the club and recent form does suggest there is issues, recent form and some would say repeated errors year on year.

Then having come clean and admitted the above he really is a busted flush. What top club does he go to next, will there be a queue of suitors as there would have been in the past. I am unconvinced the really big teams in Europe will want him as he is seen to have failed in his job in N5 over a lengthy period of time.

I would qualify that slightly, SW.

A manager should ignore the fans' view when it comes to managing the football club. His decisions should be taken solely based on what he thinks is best for the club and the team.

However, when it comes to whether he should stay or go, the fans' view is very important. The most important factor, I think you could argue.

[Rich]

I would qualify that slightly, SW.

A manager should ignore the fans' view when it comes to managing the football club. His decisions should be taken solely based on what he thinks is best for the club and the team.

However, when it comes to whether he should stay or go, the fans' view is very important. The most important factor, I think you could argue.

Well He has already said that the opinion of the fans will be important when it comes to making up his mind.

Wd Arsene imo.

[Ash]

Well He has already said that the opinion of the fans will be important when it comes to making up his mind.

Wd Arsene imo.

Part of the problem is Ivan saying a while back that the fans would decide. That is very literally inviting protest against Arsene. How is the 'opinion of the fans' measured anyway? Twitter? AWIMB? Aeroplanes? "We want to go!" songs? Muggy banners?

[redgunamo]

Part of the problem is Ivan saying a while back that the fans would decide. That is very literally inviting protest against Arsene. How is the 'opinion of the fans' measured anyway? Twitter? AWIMB? Aeroplanes? "We want to go!" songs? Muggy banners?

A poll obviously.

[SWv2]

I would qualify that slightly, SW.

A manager should ignore the fans' view when it comes to managing the football club. His decisions should be taken solely based on what he thinks is best for the club and the team.

However, when it comes to whether he should stay or go, the fans' view is very important. The most important factor, I think you could argue.

100% agree on the above but at this part of the conundrum I would point the finger at the board who have offered him the new deal.

I think we would both agree that Wenger probably believes he can turn this around so will sign, but that option perhaps should not even be available to him, the board having weighed up past years, past failures and decided that all in he has done a great job in the far past but is not the man for the future.

The whole scenario is at risk of descending into farce from boardroom level through management to playing staff. None of these three seperate parties are coming out of this with one ounce of credit.

[Ash]

100% agree on the above but at this part of the conundrum I would point the finger at the board who have offered him the new deal.

I think we would both agree that Wenger probably believes he can turn this around so will sign, but that option perhaps should not even be available to him, the board having weighed up past years, past failures and decided that all in he has done a great job in the far past but is not the man for the future.

The whole scenario is at risk of descending into farce from boardroom level through management to playing staff. None of these three seperate parties are coming out of this with one ounce of credit.

And yet some people would rather blame the fans.

[SWv2]

And yet some people would rather blame the fans.

Well personally I don’t think the whole banners during matches and flying of planes with messages attached is of any help other than focusing the media on the circus.

Before and after games is fair enough.

I would suggest we are actually a laughing stock at the moment. Just imagine the mileage we would be getting from these events in N17.

[Sir C]

Well personally I don’t think the whole banners during matches and flying of planes with messages attached is of any help other than focusing the media on the circus.

Before and after games is fair enough.

I would suggest we are actually a laughing stock at the moment. Just imagine the mileage we would be getting from these events in N17.

Of course if the Wenger Out enthusiasts were a large majority, and if they really believed that they were acting in the club's best interests in having the manager removed, we would fail to sell half our season tickets this spring and then you'd see a reaction from the owner.

Of course these people will continue to pay as if they have no agency in the matter, and then moan about what they receive for their money

[SWv2]

Of course if the Wenger Out enthusiasts were a large majority, and if they really believed that they were acting in the club's best interests in having the manager removed, we would fail to sell half our season tickets this spring and then you'd see a reaction from the owner.

Of course these people will continue to pay as if they have no agency in the matter, and then moan about what they receive for their money

Well I have to say I would not expect any supporter to give up on ST entitlement due to dislike of Wenger.

Football support transcends the individual and indeed the present.

[Sir C]

Well I have to say I would not expect any supporter to give up on ST entitlement due to dislike of Wenger.

Football support transcends the individual and indeed the present.

You've properly embarrassed yourself there, old chap.