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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    Oh, right. Well that changes everything
    It does if you're a rational adult. It doesn't if you're at best juvenile or at worst a tragic c*nt.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    It does if you're a rational adult. It doesn't if you're at best juvenile or at worst a tragic c*nt.
    Or perhaps I'm just cognitively consistent?

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    Or perhaps I'm just cognitively consistent?
    Hating a player because he does something that hurts the club you support is rational (at some level) and cognitively consistent.

    Hating a player, regardless of what he is doing now, who once did something that hurt your club is neither rational nor cognitively consistent.

    It's just juvenile and pathetic. Did you hate Sol Campbell and refuse to celebrate our unbeaten season because he was once Spurs?

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    Hating a player because he does something that hurts the club you support is rational (at some level) and cognitively consistent.

    Hating a player, regardless of what he is doing now, who once did something that hurt your club is neither rational nor cognitively consistent.

    It's just juvenile and pathetic. Did you hate Sol Campbell and refuse to celebrate our unbeaten season because he was once Spurs?
    No, you see, when Sol Campbell signed for Arsenal, he ceased being a Spurs player, voluntarily severing his links with a club I hate, and committing himself to the club I love.

    Apart from that it was a ****ing brilliant analogy

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    No, you see, when Sol Campbell signed for Arsenal, he ceased being a Spurs player, voluntarily severing his links with a club I hate, and committing himself to the club I love.

    Apart from that it was a ****ing brilliant analogy
    So your hatred for a player is all consuming and based on his having a contract with a club that you dislike not on his actual actions and the impact they have on the club you support?

    And you're claiming that this is rational and cognitively consistent?

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    So your hatred for a player is all consuming and based on his having a contract with a club that you dislike not on his actual actions and the impact they have on the club you support?

    And you're claiming that this is rational and cognitively consistent?
    Rational? Certainly not. But consistent, absolutely.

    If the way we both claim to feel about Spurs and its players throughout the year is to mean anything at all, I don't see how you cannot feel even slightly emotionally compromised by supporting an England team comprising so many of them.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    No, you see, when Sol Campbell signed for Arsenal, he ceased being a Spurs player, voluntarily severing his links with a club I hate, and committing himself to the club I love.

    Apart from that it was a ****ing brilliant analogy


    ...and yet you mentioned Kyle 'Des' Walker above. Remember.... he ceased being a Spurs player, voluntarily severing his links with a club you hate.

    You should like him 50% more than the other Spurs players
    "Scoring a goal is better than sex" - Whoever said that was sticking it to the wrong woman

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    Hating a player because he does something that hurts the club you support is rational (at some level) and cognitively consistent.

    Hating a player, regardless of what he is doing now, who once did something that hurt your club is neither rational nor cognitively consistent.

    It's just juvenile and pathetic. Did you hate Sol Campbell and refuse to celebrate our unbeaten season because he was once Spurs?
    I still think this is an English thing.

    My dad wants Canada to win the hockey and it's full of players of teams he doesn't like.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Vegas View Post
    I still think this is an English thing.

    My dad wants Canada to win the hockey and it's full of players of teams he doesn't like.
    If you have watched television recently Pat you will have noticed millions, yes millions of English people taking enormous pleasure in the World Cup and England's success in it. I'm willing to bet that a large portion of those people support football clubs to some degree.

    The difference is that they are all rational and socially functional human beings. Quite unlike Monty.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    If you have watched television recently Pat you will have noticed millions, yes millions of English people taking enormous pleasure in the World Cup and England's success in it. I'm willing to bet that a large portion of those people support football clubs to some degree.

    The difference is that they are all rational and socially functional human beings. Quite unlike Monty.
    It's all contrived. No-one cares anywhere near as much as they claim. All these scenes of fans going crazy is heavily confected. Of course they are having fun, but the football is an *excuse* to have fun. That's because international football is inherently incapable of eliciting the same kind of visceral passion as club football. In a country like England, it simply lacks any real sense of tribalism.

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