Is there a realistic possibility that our squad is actually ****?

[Luis Anaconda]

Right, I get that. My point was more that there seems to be a general assumption that they are capable of better were it not for Wenger and his general silliness. What if this is actually the summit of what they are capable of and without Wenger we are useless?

I haven't seen enough of Mustafi or Xhaka but what I have seen varies from great to terrible. Do you think they are any good?

More sensibly put. And yes both are excellent footballers. Mustafi made an immediate difference when he came in and even if he struggling bit for form now, I think most people recognise his quality. As for Xhaka, we clearly haven't seen the best of him - read the article I posted the other day and the difference he made to Monchengladbach team - we have quite a talent there

[Peter]

More sensibly put. And yes both are excellent footballers. Mustafi made an immediate difference when he came in and even if he struggling bit for form now, I think most people recognise his quality. As for Xhaka, we clearly haven't seen the best of him - read the article I posted the other day and the difference he made to Monchengladbach team - we have quite a talent there

Mustafi, quite understandably, looks far better playing alongside the outstanding Koscielny. He is also still in his first season with us and his first season as a big money signing. I am not concerned.

Xhaka has been unlucky. His first red was a joke and his second somewhat borderline. I hope to see more of him. If we have a weakness I am sure it is in midfield (wide forwards could be a bit better and a top class left back would be nice, but you know what I mean)