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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    You are telling us that Islam does not encourage the slaughter of the kuffir? You are telling us that monty has made this up?

    Do you think we ought to reprt him or something? He must be mental to think such a thing.
    No, I did not tell you that.

    The Kuran certainly does have passages which encourage this sort of behavior. It also has a great many passages that make it clear that this sort of behavior is unacceptable and contrary to Islam.

    The nutters decide to follow the former, the overwhelming majority of Muslims the latter.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    No, I did not tell you that.

    The Kuran certainly does have passages which encourage this sort of behavior. It also has a great many passages that make it clear that this sort of behavior is unacceptable and contrary to Islam.

    The nutters decide to follow the former, the overwhelming majority of Muslims the latter.
    Oh, they're 'nutters', are they? History of mental illness, that sort of thing? Norwegian loner, hmm?

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Oh, they're 'nutters', are they? History of mental illness, that sort of thing? Norwegian loner, hmm?
    Possibly a great many of them are, especially the foot soldiers.

    But not all of them, of course. I could use a term other than nutter if you like? the disaffected? The social outcasts? The psychotic?

    Anyone who blows himself up in a theatre amongst teen age girls and their parents clearly has something very wrong with them.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    Possibly a great many of them are, especially the foot soldiers.

    But not all of them, of course. I could use a term other than nutter if you like? the disaffected? The social outcasts? The psychotic?

    Anyone who blows himself up in a theatre amongst teen age girls and their parents clearly has something very wrong with them.
    Yes. Clearly something wrong with them, like following a savage, barbaric medieval religion which appears to be growing in strength and even at a state level revels in this sort of enlightened behaviour.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-s...n-s-sharia-law

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Yes. Clearly something wrong with them, like following a savage, barbaric medieval religion which appears to be growing in strength and even at a state level revels in this sort of enlightened behaviour.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-s...n-s-sharia-law
    For one thing, it is far older than medieval. All religions have barbarism within them. There are horrific passages in the bible containing absurd and contradictory laws with appalling punishment. Unfortunately there are some in every religion that are drawn towards this historical interpretation to support what are very modern desires and conflicts.

    For radical Islamic terrorst read KKK. Every religion has them....

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    For one thing, it is far older than medieval. All religions have barbarism within them. There are horrific passages in the bible containing absurd and contradictory laws with appalling punishment. Unfortunately there are some in every religion that are drawn towards this historical interpretation to support what are very modern desires and conflicts.

    For radical Islamic terrorst read KKK. Every religion has them....
    Yes, those KKK madmen planting bombs all over the shop... and don't get me started on those radicasl Buddhists mowing pedestrians down all over Europe, honestly.

    Yes, every religion is just as dangerous as Islam. They're all the same. Yes.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Yes, those KKK madmen planting bombs all over the shop... and don't get me started on those radicasl Buddhists mowing pedestrians down all over Europe, honestly.

    Yes, every religion is just as dangerous as Islam. They're all the same. Yes.
    I didn't say they were. My point was that if you want to blame the religion for the acts of people who hide behind it, based on the fact that it does say some awful things, then you could level the same claim against other religions.

    I don't blame the religion.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    For one thing, it is far older than medieval. All religions have barbarism within them. There are horrific passages in the bible containing absurd and contradictory laws with appalling punishment. Unfortunately there are some in every religion that are drawn towards this historical interpretation to support what are very modern desires and conflicts.

    For radical Islamic terrorst read KKK. Every religion has them....
    Yes, and if Christian or Jewish fundamentalism currently existed on anything like the same scale as Islamic fundamentalism, I (and I am sure Charlie too) would be condemning it in equally strong terms.

    Andreas Breavik, Dylann Roof....these people are as worthy of our contempt as any muslim extremist and no-one worth listening to would ever claim otherwise.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    Yes, and if Christian or Jewish fundamentalism currently existed on anything like the same scale as Islamic fundamentalism, I (and I am sure Charlie too) would be condemning it in equally strong terms.

    Andreas Breavik, Dylann Roof....these people are as worthy of our contempt as any muslim extremist and no-one worth listening to would ever claim otherwise.
    But would you suggest that all dutiful Christians in their right mind would act the same?

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Yes. Clearly something wrong with them, like following a savage, barbaric medieval religion which appears to be growing in strength and even at a state level revels in this sort of enlightened behaviour.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-s...n-s-sharia-law
    This is an entirely different matter, and one that I expect we will have common ground on.

    While I refuse to accept that people who blow themselves up in public are representative of our Muslim communities, the desire for the implementation of Sharia Law is far more common and without question needs to be challenged. We've been far too tolerant and your and Burney's endless railing against the left is perfectly appropriate when it comes to Sharia Law. It is a disgrace that we have even considered allowing any form of its implementation and making this clear to our Muslim communities should be part of any government's agenda.

    But there is a great deal of distance between wanting Sharia Law and blowing yourself up in public.

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