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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokster View Post
    Surely depends on what your view of a midfield player is It seems he carries out instructions form his manager to a tee, scores plenty of goals and covers the ground better than others in that position. Seems to me that he can play midfield but perhaps the other players around him are the ones that need changing?
    His average over the past 3 seasons in the league is 4 goals and 3.7 assists per season, that is a rather generous definition of 'plenty'. And given that he has shown himself to be an utter liability defensively (I point you to the 4-0 defeat at Liverpool as one of many examples) if he isn't scoring them or creating them, what use is he?

    And if by 'covers the ground better than others' you mean he endlessly pushes forward regardless of the situation and is slow to track back, then I agree with you. There are those that would question that this is a good thing, however. Me among them.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    His average over the past 3 seasons in the league is 4 goals and 3.7 assists per season, that is a rather generous definition of 'plenty'. And given that he has shown himself to be an utter liability defensively (I point you to the 4-0 defeat at Liverpool as one of many examples) if he isn't scoring them or creating them, what use is he?

    And if by 'covers the ground better than others' you mean he endlessly pushes forward regardless of the situation and is slow to track back, then I agree with you. There are those that would question that this is a good thing, however. Me among them.
    How many games has he played over that 3 season stat list? The Liverpool game you mention ( and this point has been poiinted out on TV) was that he was receiving instructions from the bench while the defensive cock up was happening. Not tracking back is certainly a less of a problem with him as it is with GX, who seems to let anyone who wants to run off him do it.
    He pushes forward as that is what he has been instructed to do by AW, certainly during the second half of games.
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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    His average over the past 3 seasons in the league is 4 goals and 3.7 assists per season, that is a rather generous definition of 'plenty'. And given that he has shown himself to be an utter liability defensively (I point you to the 4-0 defeat at Liverpool as one of many examples) if he isn't scoring them or creating them, what use is he?

    And if by 'covers the ground better than others' you mean he endlessly pushes forward regardless of the situation and is slow to track back, then I agree with you. There are those that would question that this is a good thing, however. Me among them.
    He covers plenty of ground, just not the ground he is supposed to be actually covering.

    Not entirely his fault, he is just not suited to that role.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    He covers plenty of ground, just not the ground he is supposed to be actually covering.

    Not entirely his fault, he is just not suited to that role.
    It's easy to work hard at things you're not actually supposed to be doing?
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    It's easy to work hard at things you're not actually supposed to be doing?
    Definitely.

    Much easier than working hard at things you are supposed to be doing.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Definitely.

    Much easier than working hard at things you are supposed to be doing.
    That is assuming he knows what he is supposed to be doing.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    That is assuming he knows what he is supposed to be doing.
    As I say, if he doesn't, what are we paying him for then.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    As I say, if he doesn't, what are we paying him for then.
    To do what his manager asks of him.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Definitely.

    Much easier than working hard at things you are supposed to be doing.
    This is not meant to be true of paid professionals though, otherwise what are they being paid for, what are they actually professional at? #WengerOut
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    His average over the past 3 seasons in the league is 4 goals and 3.7 assists per season, that is a rather generous definition of 'plenty'. And given that he has shown himself to be an utter liability defensively (I point you to the 4-0 defeat at Liverpool as one of many examples) if he isn't scoring them or creating them, what use is he?

    And if by 'covers the ground better than others' you mean he endlessly pushes forward regardless of the situation and is slow to track back, then I agree with you. There are those that would question that this is a good thing, however. Me among them.
    scores a goal every 7 PL games, gets a goal or assist on average every 3 and a bit games... seems that those are not bad stats for a midfield player
    Northern Monkey ... who can't upload a bleeding Avatar

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