Reply With QuoteBut they weren't the better side in 2010 or whenever it was that they started cheating.Originally Posted by Peter
Just like Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong won their races. But only because they cheated.
I agree that cheating made them the better side. But they were still the better side.
I am not saying I will be joining the celebration police, but I won't be joining you all on the open top bus parade either.
But they weren't the better side in 2010 or whenever it was that they started cheating.
Just like Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong won their races. But only because they cheated.
Slightly different, although I take the point. Ben Johnson artificially enhanced his performance. He ran faster because of it.
City haven't done that. The players themselves won everything fair and square. They are not better players because they cost more or they earn more and nothing has been done to enhance their actual performance. Pound for pound (pardon the pun) they were the best side and deservedly won the league.
The cheating is in how that squad was put together and specifically how much it cost. It sits outside the sphere of actual performance.
That said, think about the guy who came second to Ben Johnson. Yeah, he gets the medal, and he does deserve it. But Johnson ruined the occasion for him. It's a win, but a pretty hollow one.
I'm not saying City don't deserve to be stripped of the titles (I don't know if they do or they don't). I am just saying it would mean littler or nothing to me. I'm never going to count last season as a title win, under any circumstances. Still, it was a ****ing great season anyway and I thoroughly enjoyed it
Didn't Carl Lewis finish second to Johnson. Carl Lewis who at the 1988 Olympics trial had three positive results on a combined test for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine. Not really relevant to the whole point but I never liked himSlightly different, although I take the point. Ben Johnson artificially enhanced his performance. He ran faster because of it.
City haven't done that. The players themselves won everything fair and square. They are not better players because they cost more or they earn more and nothing has been done to enhance their actual performance. Pound for pound (pardon the pun) they were the best side and deservedly won the league.
The cheating is in how that squad was put together and specifically how much it cost. It sits outside the sphere of actual performance.
That said, think about the guy who came second to Ben Johnson. Yeah, he gets the medal, and he does deserve it. But Johnson ruined the occasion for him. It's a win, but a pretty hollow one.
I'm not saying City don't deserve to be stripped of the titles (I don't know if they do or they don't). I am just saying it would mean littler or nothing to me. I'm never going to count last season as a title win, under any circumstances. Still, it was a ****ing great season anyway and I thoroughly enjoyed it
Well, if everyone cheats then it is a fair result
My preference is for us to get docked points and still win the league. That was ****ing brilliant
Indeed, p, happy daysWell, if everyone cheats then it is a fair result
My preference is for us to get docked points and still win the league. That was ****ing brilliant
Ben Johnson was a very silly case indeed, especially the aftermath. A condition of his punishment was to undertake a sort of piety and forgiveness tour; going to schools and colleges. So he'd roll up in the ghetto in his Lamborghini, dripping in gold and jewels and Gucci and wag the finger and warn kids about the dangers and consequences of doing drugsSlightly different, although I take the point. Ben Johnson artificially enhanced his performance. He ran faster because of it.
City haven't done that. The players themselves won everything fair and square. They are not better players because they cost more or they earn more and nothing has been done to enhance their actual performance. Pound for pound (pardon the pun) they were the best side and deservedly won the league.
The cheating is in how that squad was put together and specifically how much it cost. It sits outside the sphere of actual performance.
That said, think about the guy who came second to Ben Johnson. Yeah, he gets the medal, and he does deserve it. But Johnson ruined the occasion for him. It's a win, but a pretty hollow one.
I'm not saying City don't deserve to be stripped of the titles (I don't know if they do or they don't). I am just saying it would mean littler or nothing to me. I'm never going to count last season as a title win, under any circumstances. Still, it was a ****ing great season anyway and I thoroughly enjoyed it
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."
No, **** 'em. They've allegedly, apparently cheated the whole of football, not just us and Liverpool and nobody associated with Manchester City should ever be tempted to mention the whole sordid episode ever again.
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."
They made Big Ron do something similar. It was not at all successful, but pretty funny.Ben Johnson was a very silly case indeed, especially the aftermath. A condition of his punishment was to undertake a sort of piety and forgiveness tour; going to schools and colleges. So he'd roll up in the ghetto in his Lamborghini, dripping in gold and jewels and Gucci and wag the finger and warn kids about the dangers and consequences of doing drugs
In that case, Linford won gold. He never cheated.
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