One thing you CAN say in favour of those "Land That Time Forgot" Bulgarian Nazis was

[Sir C]

Yes, of course it is far worse.

I hadn't realised that they were actual neo-nazis, of the sort that our government supports in Ukraine.

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims.

[IUFG]

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims.

Normal rules don't apply to the left, sc. See antifa

[Sir C]

Normal rules don't apply to the left, sc. See antifa

It's the hypocrisy that I find unbelievable. Everyone wets their knickers because some random Bulgarians made a Nazi salute - meanwhile, Comrade McDonnell is an actual self-confessed Marxist... and daft ****s are prepared to vote for him.

It's bizarre.

[Ash]

I don't understand why everyone seems so revolted by 'neo-Nazis', whilst Socialists can merrily wave red flags and sing the Internazionale without anyone mentioning the pesky detail of 100 million victims.

This is what's known in some quarters as 'Whataboutery', I gather.

Besides, there have been left-wing governments who have not been run by Stalin, and not behaved remotely like him, however much they are demonised, and however much the oligarchs are furious that the wealth they nicked from the poor is redistributed to the poor.

[7sisters]

Indeed. How does a multi cultural society move on to the next level when it’s only ok to abuse gingers

[Ash]

It's the hypocrisy that I find unbelievable. Everyone wets their knickers because some random Bulgarians made a Nazi salute - meanwhile, Comrade McDonnell is an actual self-confessed Marxist... and daft ****s are prepared to vote for him.

It's bizarre.

Marx isn't Stalin. Or even Lenin.

Making moral equivalence between Historical Materialism and Nazism is a substantial error imo.

[Sir C]

This is what's known in some quarters as 'Whataboutery', I gather.

Besides, there have been left-wing governments who have not been run by Stalin, and not behaved remotely like him, however much they are demonised, and however much the oligarchs are furious that the wealth they nicked from the poor is redistributed to the poor.

That's right, those magnificent shining examples of the gentle loving nature of socialists, Mao, Pol Pot, Uncle Ho, dear Nicolae in Romania, cuddly Enver who made Albania such a paradise of redistributed wealth - and let's not forget our old chum Castro, who cleverly reduced and entire population to penury and locked them in so they had to try to escape on home-made rafts.

Were all these the wrong type of socialism?

[Sir C]

Marx isn't Stalin. Or even Lenin.

Making moral equivalence between Historical Materialism and Nazism is a substantial error imo.

I'm not sure that made much difference to the millions tortured and murdered by the twisted politics of envy, or even the millions living in misery in eastern Europe between 1945 and 1989.

But hey, it'll be better next time when it's proper socialism, eh?

I saw it. I saw it in the flesh. It makes me angry.

[IUFG]

But hey, it'll be better next time when it's proper socialism, eh?

Nothing went wrong under the Blair government, did it?

[WES]

Nothing went wrong under the Blair government, did it?

I’d love Jorge to be here to reply to the implication that Blair and his mates were socialists.

Or were you taking the piss?