Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
What if it isn't plainly obvious what it is? Bloke/bird on one of those Jordan Peterson debates I watched on youtube was not plainly one or the other.

Gave me the shivers just listening to it.
There are very few where you can't tell - at least the western ones. Some of the asian ones can be worryingly convincing, mind. And my view is that, if you're not sure, at least they've made an effort and you can play along more readily. But most of them these days are just ugly men in frocks who don't want to accept that they like cock and so have to pretend they're actually birds.