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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by SWv2 View Post
    For sure. We lose too many silly games in similar circumstances year after year for the results to be down simply to individual error, it is a collective problem starting at Wenger and down through the players.

    There are 2-3 players who will always be the lightning rod for fans anger, in some twisted world of reality I expect Ramsey is taking stick for Saturday even though he was absent. Xhaka stood still while Cleverley moved into space but the collapse in performance had happened long before.

    The situation with Ozil and Sanchez, an absolute fúcking shambles which we created for ourselves in the summer. We are not selling, no way, we will stand firm, okay we will sell, shít it's too late.

    Every bad performance or result turned into an over analysis of effort and attitude.

    Long season ahead.
    Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

    Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

    Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.
    Was that why he didn't play?? I assumed he was injured!
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  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

    Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.
    All the same though, players are not robots. Perhaps, after representing their countries, both Ramsey and Alexis were *emotionally* tired



    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

    Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.
    Is that why he was not playing or are you taking this from some anonymous internet story / the bloke at the end of the bar who drinks Pernod and black, think his name is Dave.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    All the same though, players are not robots. Perhaps, after representing their countries, both Ramsey and Alexis were *emotionally* tired



    Nonsense as then you are dealing with an issue here where your Manager/Coach and his staff are unable to motivate and prepare players, professional footballers after all, for a game.

    I suspect you know where this is going.

  6. #16

    #WengerOut

    Anyway, it's the other way about. It's because they're professionals that you don't need to motivate them, you just have to pay them. Football is a self-motivating activity; either you want to play or you don't. That's the rule.

    Perhaps it's true, we're just not good enough and this is *how* we're not good enough and you just have to accept it?


    Quote Originally Posted by SWv2 View Post
    Nonsense as then you are dealing with an issue here where your Manager/Coach and his staff are unable to motivate and prepare players, professional footballers after all, for a game.

    I suspect you know where this is going.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Anyway, it's the other way about. It's because they're professionals that you don't need to motivate them, you just have to pay them. Football is a self-motivating activity; either you want to play or you don't. That's the rule.

    Perhaps it's true, we're just not good enough and this is *how* we're not good enough and you just have to accept it?
    This is a huge part of the issue, no point in getting massively upset when we lose to lesser sides, it is where we currently are.

    We are on a given day capable of beating a City or whoever but equally we are quite a distance behind them. Our days of being brilliant and even invincible are well behind us.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by SWv2 View Post
    Is that why he was not playing or are you taking this from some anonymous internet story / the bloke at the end of the bar who drinks Pernod and black, think his name is Dave.
    Ah, I see now that Wenger has claimed they had minor 'muscular alerts'.......nothing to see here.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by SWv2 View Post
    This is a huge part of the issue, no point in getting massively upset when we lose to lesser sides, it is where we currently are.

    We are on a given day capable of beating a City or whoever but equally we are quite a distance behind them. Our days of being brilliant and even invincible are well behind us.
    I think the real issue is being so ready to accept this. In a sporting environment surely the response to not being good enough is to try and improve so you are good enough? Accepting your failures as inevitable seems to be a complete waste of time.....

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    I think the real issue is being so ready to accept this. In a sporting environment surely the response to not being good enough is to try and improve so you are good enough? Accepting your failures as inevitable seems to be a complete waste of time.....
    No, it's most decidedly not a waste of time, because they are paying you for it. Not to win, mind you. Just to play.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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