Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
Despite the fact that you never stop going on about how undemocratic the EU is, it is a democratic body even if it isn't as democratic (for good reasons) as some would like it to be. The President of the EU Commission can think whatever he likes, unless Merkel et al (and that et al would include the British Prime Minister if we were staying in the EU) agree to it, it isn't going to happen.

We have no idea where the EU is really going over the next 5-10 years, there are simply too many variables and too many unknowns. To attempt to predict the direction and then use that prediction as a basis for the argument that Leave was correct is no different than someone assuming that the British economy will go in the toilet post Brexit and therefore criticizing the result of the referendum.

Both are intellectually disingenuous.
Well the advent of Qualified Majority Voting put paid to any idea that the Council of Ministers exerts ultimate control over the Commission, I'm afraid. And, of course, the veto is a weapon used more in threat than reality, so it's something of a paper tiger. Equally, since the Commission is the only body capable of proposing legislation, they do have rather a lot of influence over the direction of travel. It is therefore highly disingenuous to pretend that the mission statement of the ideologically-driven body that controls the legislative direction of the EU is anything but highly significant.

But as I say - and this is where the real disingenuousness is at play - this is not news. The EU have their mission of a borderless, centrally-controlled, united European superstate literally written on the walls of their buildings in Strasbourg and Brussels. To pretend the EU was ever anything else or ever had any other intention was the single greatest lie the British political class has ever perpetrated.