No, no, no. It is a nation state by both definition and design. Even if it is multi-national, it remains a nation state.
There is one interesting parallel. Ireland held an election in 1922 which focused entirely on the Free State treaty. The pro-treaty factions won and De Valera refused to accept it. Civil war followed.
Note to remainers- respect the public vote.
I'm sorry, I haven't read every post on this subject. I dip in and out and often see nonsense like Monty's leading post in this thread so I choose not to participate.
I'm saying that I see lots of leavers telling everyone words to the effect of.....
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Do you not see the irony here?Brexit means Brexit
Our government seem to be putting all the blame on the EU for their stance and the EU is doing visa versa. No surprises there but the opening positions are going to be unrealistic from both sides. The EU will want to protect the EU. We want a fair (preferential) deal but what is a fair deal?
- Is it a deal that is better than what we had when we were in the EU? That seems totally unrealistic from the EU perspective as that will probably be the beginning of the end of the EU. Not a bad position when you are leaving it, we would probably want it to fall apart.
- Is it a deal that is worse than the terms of WTO terms? Clearly we wouldn't take that deal and default to WTO terms.
- Is it a deal that is somewhere in between? What does this mean. I don't know this.
Then we move on to how will we be in a better position once we are out of it?
- Control of our borders? Apparently, and I have not done the research, we can already impose restrictions on immigration while within the EU. If this is the case, why have we not. Is it just cost of policing the borders?
- Sovereignty? Ok, there is that. One could argue that the EU makes laws designed to protect the likes of you and me from being exploited. I'm not saying it is perfect. Is this such a bad thing to lose? What is the cost of giving this up?
Then there is the financial impact. What do we have in our pockets at the end of the day. Who stands to gain most from this and who will be worse off?
"Scoring a goal is better than sex" - Whoever said that was sticking it to the wrong woman