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Thread: Slightly :deviant: behaviour last night, watched the women's footy

  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    I said if I had lived in Ohio for 30 years and been unemployed I would have voted for him. For obvious reasons. He didn't come around promising generic investment, high tech jobs, the usual garbage. He spoke to them in a way they could understand and promised them what they actually wanted. As I say, highly unconventional.

    If its a choice between Hillary and the lunatic, he is well worth a punt.

    I think the feeling of being politically ignored in the States is totally off the charts in terms of our understanding.
    Just HOW shįt a candidate was Hillary, though? They couldn't have found a candidate more likely to motivate the marginalised against her if they'd actually been trying to.

  2. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Just HOW shįt a candidate was Hillary, though? They couldn't have found a candidate more likely to motivate the marginalised against her if they'd actually been trying to.
    They thought nobody could lose to whoever the Republicans fielded- especially him. Sanders was the gamble and Hillary the safe bet.

    In truth, Sanders could have beaten him. Would have been a very interesting campaign.

  3. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    They thought nobody could lose to whoever the Republicans fielded- especially him. Sanders was the gamble and Hillary the safe bet.

    In truth, Sanders could have beaten him. Would have been a very interesting campaign.
    Not sure Sanders would've stood up to the scrutiny of a Presidential campaign. When you're positioning yourself as the Simon pure guy, there's just too many man traps to stumble into.

  4. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Not sure Sanders would've stood up to the scrutiny of a Presidential campaign. When you're positioning yourself as the Simon pure guy, there's just too many man traps to stumble into.
    Nobody thought Trump would. This was no ordinary campaign.

  5. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Nobody thought Trump would. This was no ordinary campaign.
    Yeah, but 'scandals' didn't touch Trump because he'd already said the media was out to get him. So every time they went for him, it vindicated and strengthened him in his supporters' eyes. Equally, being prepared to say shocking and offensive things was very much part of his appeal, so that inoculated him against the danger of gaffes. It was a very clever bit of stupidity.

    I'm not sure Bernie Sanders would've been able to survive those sorts of bumps in the road as easily.

  6. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Yeah, but 'scandals' didn't touch Trump because he'd already said the media was out to get him. So every time they went for him, it vindicated and strengthened him in his supporters' eyes. Equally, being prepared to say shocking and offensive things was very much part of his appeal, so that inoculated him against the danger of gaffes. It was a very clever bit of stupidity.

    I'm not sure Bernie Sanders would've been able to survive those sorts of bumps in the road as easily.
    If you look at where Trump won the election, Sanders would have given him a far tougher ride. He also would have been a very different proposition in debate where Hillary was beyond useless.

    Also, the American public don't universally despise him. Always a good start.

  7. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Nobody thought Trump would. This was no ordinary campaign.
    No, it was an ordinary campaign, but he was no ordinary candidate.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  8. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    If you look at where Trump won the election, Sanders would have given him a far tougher ride. He also would have been a very different proposition in debate where Hillary was beyond useless.

    Also, the American public don't universally despise him. Always a good start.
    Yeah, there was the whole 'he's a socialist' thing, though. Americans reflexively run a mile from that. I think that would've hurt him. Americans will accept a bit of socialism here and there, but God help you if you actually call it socialism.

  9. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    No, it was an ordinary campaign, but he was no ordinary candidate.
    which made it no ordinary campaign.

  10. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Yeah, there was the whole 'he's a socialist' thing, though. Americans reflexively run a mile from that. I think that would've hurt him. Americans will accept a bit of socialism here and there, but God help you if you actually call it socialism.
    Of course. I do think there are large parts of American where being a woman is still seen as worse though.

    Its about the electoral math, b

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