Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
Well it's hardly surprising that you aren't giving up your soapbox easily.

Pretty much everyone I have read since the ESL fell apart accepts that the 12 clubs had completely misread the situation, it had nothing to do with not having a plan. They underestimated the amount of pushback from the associations, UEFA, the supporters, the players and the media. They also underestimated how little resolve many of the clubs had to going through with it. And the idea that the supporter pushback had no influence on any of the other parties involved is absurd, the answer is far more nuanced than simply 'the owners decided and they don't care about what anyone thinks'.

Mind you, if you liked nuanced arguments you wouldn't be so obsessed with the 'working class people are uneducated scum with no power whatsoever and quite rightly so' argument you routinely drag out.

And I love you justifying your misanthropic, single minded view by quoting Rod Liddle, who pretty much defines that particular genre.
The idea that there was no planning is particularly fvcking moronic. Even JPM put some yards into this.