Hang on. Boris seems to have said a Conservative thing.

[Burney]

Blimey, you know exactly what he meant by saying "finally, safe from socialism"... It's good he can say just 4 little words and mean so much

Well, yes. Partly because I know him and partly because it's blindingly fúcking obvious.

[Pokster]

Well, yes. Partly because I know him and partly because it's blindingly fúcking obvious.

Of course it is

[Burney]

Of course it is

Oh dear. Do you know who Fúkuyama is? Or what he said about the end of history?

Of course you don't. If you did, you'd see why it's blindingly fúcking obvious what Sir C meant.

[Sir C]

I think Sir C may have been referring to the fall of the Berlin Wall, the end of the Cold War and the ultimate defeat of the murderous and evil Communist regime that liberated hundreds of millions of people from misery and inhuman bondage.

But yeah, high interest rates. That's obviously more important.

It’s bizarre quite how quickly people have forgotten the horrors of post war socialism in Eastern Europe. Maybe they just never cared.

[Pokster]

Oh dear. Do you know who Fúkuyama is? Or what he said about the end of history?

Of course you don't. If you did, you'd see why it's blindingly fúcking obvious what Sir C meant.

But since the comment was originally about 1989 and not 1991 when the Cold war ended and the old soviet union dissolved then excuse me for not getting it.

[Pokster]

Oh dear. Do you know who Fúkuyama is? Or what he said about the end of history?

Of course you don't. If you did, you'd see why it's blindingly fúcking obvious what Sir C meant.

I am also obviosuly as I got my 79 and 89 mixed up with Maggie winning

[Burney]

It’s bizarre quite how quickly people have forgotten the horrors of post war socialism in Eastern Europe. Maybe they just never cared.

Because they were - by their nature - hidden, I suppose. We didn't see emaciated bodies being bulldozed into mass graves and never had to experience the day-to-day misery and paranoia of living in police states, so it's all a bit theoretical to most westerners. Add in the fact that its iconography and a watered-down version of its politics were rendered respectable by leftist parties in the west and you have a recipe for indifference.

[Burney]

But since the comment was originally about 1989 and not 1991 when the Cold war ended and the old soviet union dissolved then excuse me for not getting it.

The Berlin Wall fell in 1989. That was the iconic historical moment of 1989*, signifying as it did the fall of Soviet Communism.



*Yes, more so than us winning the league.

[Sir C]

The Berlin Wall fell in 1989. That was the iconic historical moment of 1989*, signifying as it did the fall of Soviet Communism.



*Yes, more so than us winning the league.

Even better, that filth Ceausescu and its vile consort got theirs on Christmas Day 1989. My favourite Christmas TV ever.

[Sir C]

Because they were - by their nature - hidden, I suppose. We didn't see emaciated bodies being bulldozed into mass graves and never had to experience the day-to-day misery and paranoia of living in police states, so it's all a bit theoretical to most westerners. Add in the fact that its iconography and a watered-down version of its politics were rendered respectable by leftist parties in the west and you have a recipe for indifference.

But... we knew. We had Solzhenitsyn. We had attempted escapees. People even went and saw it. I saw it. Comrade Corbyn saw it (and loved it, apparently) We knew!