Lol! Turns out old Toothytits isn't quite the hit the LibDems thought.

[WES]

HE'S FISHING FOR MORE TWITTER LIKES, RETWEETS & FOLLOWERS YOU THICK ****

Is he really? I rarely look at or use Twitter so am hardly up to date with why and how people use it. Strikes me as terribly sad if he genuinely means what he posts, and even sadder if he is doing it to generate social media attention for himself.

You use it quite a bit then, do you Monty?

[Monty92]

Is he really? I rarely look at or use Twitter so am hardly up to date with why and how people use it. Strikes me as terribly sad if he genuinely means what he posts, and even sadder if he is doing it to generate social media attention for himself.

You use it quite a bit then, do you Monty?

It's hardly news that social media validation leads to dopamine release in the brain. Once you're into the thousands of followers then I imagine it must be pretty hard to resist bashing out yet another lefty talking point that's guaranteed to provide a quick and satisfying hit.

I read it a fair bit, but don't really post much.

[Burney]

You're doing exactly what you are objecting to, Ash. I don't think anyone considers the 52% to be fascists, and equally, it is disingenuous to suggest that all Leave voters simply wanted to be a sovereign state. BTW, you should try telling Italians, Germans and the French that they aren't living in a sovereign state, I think loads of them would be really surprised to find out that that is true.

Equally, I think very few people consider Corbyn, McDonnell et al to be communists, they just use the term for effect, to illustrate how far left the current version of the Labour has really gone. I don't consider them communists or even Marxists but their economic policies genuinely terrify me such would be the impact on the economy.

I'm old enough to remember England in the early to mid 70s and I don't ever want to go back there. Nor should you.

I mean, they self-avowedly are Marxists. In 2013, McDonnell said:

"Look, I’m straight, I’m honest with people: I’m a Marxist.

‘This is a classic crisis of the economy – a classic capitalist crisis. I’ve been waiting for this for a generation!

And since Marx (with Engels) wrote The Communist Manifesto, I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

[WES]

I mean, they self-avowedly are Marxists. In 2013, McDonnell said:



And since Marx (with Engels) wrote The Communist Manifesto, I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Yeah but I've also seen him claim that - rightly or wrongly - Marxism means something different now that it did then blah blah blah...

And you don't have to go near Marxist beliefs to be terrified by what he and Corbyn would do to this country with a majority.

[PSRB]

He retweeted something along the lines of 'explain to me how selling our health service to the Americans is good but free broadband and child care is bad'.

I'm sorry, I can respect different opinions if they have even a semblance of intellectual rigour behind them, but garbage like that is so stupid that I can only assume anyone that utters it (or retweets it) is either extraordinarily stupid or utterly insane.

Yes, lets spend billions (conservative estimate is £20bn) on broadband, when 5g will offer better connection speeds in about 4-5 years time and companies are picking up the bill

[Monty92]

Yes, but on a turnout of 69% rather than 66% in 2917 and not in the crucial swing seats. They got hugely more votes in Brexit voting constituencies from non-traditional Tory voters (boosting their overall count), but failed to get the core vote out in marginals and even some relatively safe seats.

On the night of the election you told me it would be fine I still have the PM

[Burney]

Yeah but I've also seen him claim that - rightly or wrongly - Marxism means something different now that it did then blah blah blah...

And you don't have to go near Marxist beliefs to be terrified by what he and Corbyn would do to this country with a majority.

Right. So when he didn't have a Shadow Cabinet position and could be honest about it, he said he was a Marxist, but when he actually had to worry about winning elections (and knows that would lose votes), he said something different. And you choose to believe him in the latter instance rather than the former?

Of course they're terrifying. Their policies are undiluted authoritarian state socialism. Because they're Marxists.

[Burney]

On the night of the election you told me it would be fine I still have the PM

I know. I can't apologise enough. If it's any consolation, I think I was trying to convince myself as much as anything.

As I said to someone the other day, I'd be quietly confident if that c@nt May hadn't made such an unholy fúckfest of the last election. For all the good signs, I can't relax for a moment.

[WES]

Right. So when he didn't have a Shadow Cabinet position and could be honest about it, he said he was a Marxist, but when he actually had to worry about winning elections (and knows that would lose votes), he said something different. And you choose to believe him in the latter instance rather than the former?

Of course they're terrifying. Their policies are undiluted authoritarian state socialism. Because they're Marxists.

Hmmm - well if I'm honest I couldn't offer you a good explanation of where socialism ends and Marxism begins so I'm not really qualified to say what he is or isn't.

I do think it's fair to say that in some cases power and the desire to retain it can soften your views. Could also be the other way around of course but I'm guessing that if they did gain power it wouldn't be quite as bad as I sometimes think it might be.

That's my only hope

[Burney]

Hmmm - well if I'm honest I couldn't offer you a good explanation of where socialism ends and Marxism begins so I'm not really qualified to say what he is or isn't.

I do think it's fair to say that in some cases power and the desire to retain it can soften your views. Could also be the other way around of course but I'm guessing that if they did gain power it wouldn't be quite as bad as I sometimes think it might be.

That's my only hope

I'd say it'll be a lot worse. The whole point with revolutionary Marxism is to get the levers of power by any means necessary and, once you have them, to do whatever the fúck you like. Democracy is just one of many means to an end for this lot, not an end in itself.