Reply With QuoteHang on, the Tories got over 2.5 million more votes in 2017 compared with 2015...Originally Posted by Burney
I didn't expect them to, to be honest. And bear in mind that what killed the tories in 2017 was their vote not turning out - whether because of complacency or May's terrible campaign and manifesto. I don't think that'll happen this time.I'd like to have seen them pull away a bit more after the Brexit Party's announcement. As it stands they are behind where they were in 2017
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Hang on, the Tories got over 2.5 million more votes in 2017 compared with 2015...
Jorge said the same thing about the country when 52% voted to leave. As did many others, who seem to genuinely consider that 52% of voters are fascists for wishing to be a sovereign state. Of course those voters are not fascists and nor are labour voters anti-semites or stalinists and all the rest of it. Brexit is not fascism and a Corbyn government would not be communism, however much it seems to suit some to keep repeating this claim loudly and often.
Yes, but on a turnout of 69% rather than 66% in 2917 and not in the crucial swing seats. They got hugely more votes in Brexit voting constituencies from non-traditional Tory voters (boosting their overall count), but failed to get the core vote out in marginals and even some relatively safe seats.
He retweeted something along the lines of 'explain to me how selling our health service to the Americans is good but free broadband and child care is bad'.
I'm sorry, I can respect different opinions if they have even a semblance of intellectual rigour behind them, but garbage like that is so stupid that I can only assume anyone that utters it (or retweets it) is either extraordinarily stupid or utterly insane.
This is no longer about logic or convincing argument, though. This is about voting remain being shorthand for being one of the good people and voting leave being the act of the evil. All nuance has long gone.Jorge said the same thing about the country when 52% voted to leave. As did many others, who seem to genuinely consider that 52% of voters are fascists for wishing to be a sovereign state. Of course those voters are not fascists and nor are labour voters anti-semites or stalinists and all the rest of it. Brexit is not fascism and a Corbyn government would not be communism, however much it seems to suit some to keep repeating this claim loudly and often.
HE'S FISHING FOR MORE TWITTER LIKES, RETWEETS & FOLLOWERS YOU THICK ****
I love the idea of 'selling our NHS to the USA'. How would that sales pitch go? "I say, we have here this lovely, Stalinist system that offers terrible health outcomes, costs more than the GDP of many small countries, has purchasing practices no business would even consider, is quite monstrously inefficient and employs more people than the Chinese Army. Fancy buying it?'
He is, of course. But - and I think this is crucial - I don't think he thinks he is. So what he's saying is what he actually believes and he presumably therefore imagines his arguments to have some validity, so I think your rudeness to WES is unmerited on this occasion.HE'S FISHING FOR MORE TWITTER LIKES, RETWEETS & FOLLOWERS YOU THICK ****
You're doing exactly what you are objecting to, Ash. I don't think anyone considers the 52% to be fascists, and equally, it is disingenuous to suggest that all Leave voters simply wanted to be a sovereign state. BTW, you should try telling Italians, Germans and the French that they aren't living in a sovereign state, I think loads of them would be really surprised to find out that that is true.Jorge said the same thing about the country when 52% voted to leave. As did many others, who seem to genuinely consider that 52% of voters are fascists for wishing to be a sovereign state. Of course those voters are not fascists and nor are labour voters anti-semites or stalinists and all the rest of it. Brexit is not fascism and a Corbyn government would not be communism, however much it seems to suit some to keep repeating this claim loudly and often.
Equally, I think very few people consider Corbyn, McDonnell et al to be communists, they just use the term for effect, to illustrate how far left the current version of the Labour has really gone. I don't consider them communists or even Marxists but their economic policies genuinely terrify me such would be the impact on the economy.
I'm old enough to remember England in the early to mid 70s and I don't ever want to go back there. Nor should you.
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