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Thread: So it looks as though we're going to have an election.

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    All of the above takes this back to Cameron. How he decided to let the people make decisions that most are too ill-informed to make is beyond me. Do we not have MPs for exactly this reason - to make the sensible decisions for the country?
    Can I skip the deconstruction of this piece of demos-phobic ****tery and proceed straight to the vitriolic, personal abuse?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I am not sure that the leave campaign really thought things through (EU not letting them have their way on the Irish border issue/divorce bill/where numbers like £350m a week/month/year for the NHS actually came from). The vast majority certainly wouldn't have a clue about the consequences of leaving without a deal.

    All of the above takes this back to Cameron. How he decided to let the people make decisions that most are too ill-informed to make is beyond me. Do we not have MPs for exactly this reason - to make the sensible decisions for the country?
    It's really not that complicated, though. People decided they want to live in an independent, self-governing and above all democratic nation state rather than be in the EU.

    That's it. The issue itself is remarkably simple and we are all legitimately capable of making a choice about it.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by IUFG View Post
    The UK is a democracy, not an electocracy, r. Well, I think it might be a democratic system we have...
    Quite. This notion that a vote for an MP is a blank cheque is a particularly stupid one.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    It's really not that complicated, though. People decided they want to live in an independent, self-governing and above all democratic nation state rather than be in the EU.

    That's it. The issue itself is remarkably simple and we are all legitimately capable of making a choice about it.
    I appreciate that is why you voted Leave. However, I think the majority of your fellow leavers may have voted based on some mis-guided beliefs of what a Post-Brexit land would look like.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I appreciate that is why you voted Leave. However, I think the majority of your fellow leavers may have voted based on some mis-guided beliefs of what a Post-Brexit land would look like.
    and here we have the infinite loop . . . a Moebius strip of Remainers who believe they are correct and Leavers are thick / misinformed.

    As, pretty much, an indifferent person on such matters, I find the psychology of the whole Brexit thing marvellous fun.
    “Other clubs never came into my thoughts once I knew Arsenal wanted to sign me.”

  6. #26
    A no deal Brexit will hurt the EU far more but why would they even consider renegotiating a deal if the threat isn’t real.

    To be honest...we should’ve done this far sooner.

  7. #27
    Remainers are led by Comrade Corbyn, former escort Gina Miller, that traitor Blair and head of social media Jorge.

    A fine trustworthy group imo

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I appreciate that is why you voted Leave. However, I think the majority of your fellow leavers may have voted based on some mis-guided beliefs of what a Post-Brexit land would look like.
    Are you quite sure you understand what a future EU land would look like? And how much say you or anyone except a ruling elite will have in what that looks like?

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I appreciate that is why you voted Leave. However, I think the majority of your fellow leavers may have voted based on some mis-guided beliefs of what a Post-Brexit land would look like.
    What you think others voted for isn't really relevant, though. That's pure supposition on your part and you do not get to deny others a say because of what you think they might have in their minds when they vote.

    For the record, it has become abundantly clear to me that most remainers had no idea what the EU is, what it does or how it operates. Many of them it seemed to me voted the way they did out of a combination of conservatism and a general sense that voting Remain was the 'virtuous' thing to do because Farage. Should their votes also be discounted as based on ignorance?

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    What you think others voted for isn't really relevant, though. That's pure supposition on your part and you do not get to deny others a say because of what you think they might have in their minds when they vote.

    For the record, it has become abundantly clear to me that most remainers had no idea what the EU is, what it does or how it operates. Many of them it seemed to me voted the way they did out of a combination of conservatism and a general sense that voting Remain was the 'virtuous' thing to do because Farage. Should their votes also be discounted as based on ignorance?
    Most of them (at least on Twitter) seem to think that we are actually leaving Europe not the EU

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