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    So, BoJo or JHunt then?

    BoJo seems more committed to an Oct 31 exit at all costs, which I like. However he also seems more a buffoon who might be capable of something really stupid.

    JHunt is an Old Carthusian, top marks there, and he seems more level headed. But he’s a closet Remainer of sorts (hard to keep track) without the balls to commit to another referendum (which I also like).

    I’m on the fence at this point

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    Boris, naturally #TeamHenley-on-Thames


    Quote Originally Posted by WES View Post
    BoJo seems more committed to an Oct 31 exit at all costs, which I like. However he also seems more a buffoon who might be capable of something really stupid.

    JHunt is an Old Carthusian, top marks there, and he seems more level headed. But he’s a closet Remainer of sorts (hard to keep track) without the balls to commit to another referendum (which I also like).

    I’m on the fence at this point
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    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Boris, naturally #TeamHenley-on-Thames
    It's going to be Boris. The sheer ferocity with which the Remain establishment is attacking him tells you that for anyone who actually wants to Leave the EU, there is no alternative. The fact they'd prefer Hunt tells you he's the enemy.

    It's also amusing watching the attempted smear job regarding this domestic backfiring on them and their utter bemusement at the fact that it's not damaging him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    It's going to be Boris. The sheer ferocity with which the Remain establishment is attacking him tells you that for anyone who actually wants to Leave the EU, there is no alternative. The fact they'd prefer Hunt tells you he's the enemy.

    It's also amusing watching the attempted smear job regarding this domestic backfiring on them and their utter bemusement at the fact that it's not damaging him.
    It was interesting to me that his next door neighbour happened to have a device capable of recording sounds remarkably clearly through a wall, as well as the number of a Guardian journalist to hand. It's almost as if they've been anticipating raking up some muck.

    On the other hand, Boris doesn't help himself, does he? If anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Boris.

    He is also clearly a mendacious, immoral megalomaniacal halfwit. Not that any of that should influence whether his is PM, of course; but it is something to ponder the next time he does his amiable buffoon schtick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    It was interesting to me that his next door neighbour happened to have a device capable of recording sounds remarkably clearly through a wall, as well as the number of a Guardian journalist to hand. It's almost as if they've been anticipating raking up some muck.

    On the other hand, Boris doesn't help himself, does he? If anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Boris.

    He is also clearly a mendacious, immoral megalomaniacal halfwit. Not that any of that should influence whether his is PM, of course; but it is something to ponder the next time he does his amiable buffoon schtick.
    Oh, the fact that it's such a clearly orchestrated campaign of smears is one of the things that's rendering it wholly ineffective. It really is ant the stage now that if you see the usual suspects on the warpath against Johnson, it only makes one more determined to vote for him. They probably hoped that he would do the damage for them by saying something idiotic, but since whoever's running his campaign is wisely limiting his public appearances, they're left to fall back on this sort of attack - which is wholly counterproductive.

    And I hold no brief for Boris's soul - indeed I largely agree with you. However, I increasingly think such a person may be exactly what we need at this stage. We've had three years of the careful, considered, technocratic approach and here we still are. If what it takes to get us out is a wilful, capricious buffoon, then I'm all for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Oh, the fact that it's such a clearly orchestrated campaign of smears is one of the things that's rendering it wholly ineffective. It really is ant the stage now that if you see the usual suspects on the warpath against Johnson, it only makes one more determined to vote for him. They probably hoped that he would do the damage for them by saying something idiotic, but since whoever's running his campaign is wisely limiting his public appearances, they're left to fall back on this sort of attack - which is wholly counterproductive.

    And I hold no brief for Boris's soul - indeed I largely agree with you. However, I increasingly think such a person may be exactly what we need at this stage. We've had three years of the careful, considered, technocratic approach and here we still are. If what it takes to get us out is a wilful, capricious buffoon, then I'm all for it.
    Of course he's gonna win.

    The poll of Tory members found that by majorities of around 60-26, they'd accept the loss of the Jocks, a united Ireland, severe damage to the economy and the complete destruction of the Tory party if that was the price of Brexit.

    Almost half would be happy with Farrage as leader.

    Hunt will just keep his head down and let BoJo be the man that destroys the country that spent 3 centuries creating the modern, global economy and its most successful party.

    He'll make Lord North look like Gladstone or Palmerston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    He is also clearly a mendacious, immoral megalomaniacal halfwit. Not that any of that should influence whether his is PM, of course; but it is something to ponder the next time he does his amiable buffoon schtick.
    Indeed he is, but he has absolutely no principles and that's something we need in our next PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFC East View Post
    Indeed he is, but he has absolutely no principles and that's something we need in our next PM.
    You may well be right here, a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    It was interesting to me that his next door neighbour happened to have a device capable of recording sounds remarkably clearly through a wall, as well as the number of a Guardian journalist to hand. It's almost as if they've been anticipating raking up some muck.

    On the other hand, Boris doesn't help himself, does he? If anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Boris.

    He is also clearly a mendacious, immoral megalomaniacal halfwit. Not that any of that should influence whether his is PM, of course; but it is something to ponder the next time he does his amiable buffoon schtick.
    Aren't they theatre directors or something? I've got a barely used* Tascam sound recorder in the drawer next to me that would pick up everything the neighbours said if the input was set to directional. And if I plugged our Sennheiser mic in and pointed it in the right direction, I could probably hear what's happening in Berni's shed.

    *I did take it to the British Library in 2014 for the debate on the causes of WW1, with Gary Sheffield and the OU's Annika Mombauer on the sensible side of the debate. Got a copy of that in dropbox if you want a listen. I recorded it in .wav so it's a big file, but top quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    It's going to be Boris. The sheer ferocity with which the Remain establishment is attacking him tells you that for anyone who actually wants to Leave the EU, there is no alternative. The fact they'd prefer Hunt tells you he's the enemy.

    It's also amusing watching the attempted smear job regarding this domestic backfiring on them and their utter bemusement at the fact that it's not damaging him.
    It's not about damaging him now, though. It's about damaging him ahead of the next General Election.

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