Aaaaaaand Labour are backtracking on a second referendum.

[Burney]

Between watching Labour flip-flopping between two potentially party-destroying options and an endless parade of Tory leadership candidates attempting to secure support by espousing policies that the actual membership of the Tory party (upon whom their candidacy depends) absolutely fúcking hate, it is increasingly hard not to feel that the old two-party system may be irretrievably broken.

[Herbert Augustus Chapman]

Between watching Labour flip-flopping between two potentially party-destroying options and an endless parade of Tory leadership candidates attempting to secure support by espousing policies that the actual membership of the Tory party (upon whom their candidacy depends) absolutely fúcking hate, it is increasingly hard not to feel that the old two-party system may be irretrievably broken.

With a bit of luck b.

[Sir C]

Between watching Labour flip-flopping between two potentially party-destroying options and an endless parade of Tory leadership candidates attempting to secure support by espousing policies that the actual membership of the Tory party (upon whom their candidacy depends) absolutely fúcking hate, it is increasingly hard not to feel that the old two-party system may be irretrievably broken.

Of course that will leave us with the tricky question of who to vote for. And who gets to govern. There doesn't appear to be anyone, you know, competent.

[Burney]

With a bit of luck b.

I tend to agree, h. Rip it up and start again. Social class is such an outmoded basis for political parties.

[Burney]

Of course that will leave us with the tricky question of who to vote for. And who gets to govern. There doesn't appear to be anyone, you know, competent.

Well someone will, won't they? The amazing thing is the way that Brexit has proved the most extraordinary catalyst for radical political change in this country since the First World War. It has changed absolutely everything and I do think that's sort of wonderful.

[Sir C]

Well someone will, won't they? The amazing thing is the way that Brexit has proved the most extraordinary catalyst for radical political change in this country since the First World War. It has changed absolutely everything and I do think that's sort of wonderful.

Change can be wonderful, of course, but that depends on what the changed thing changes into.

Ask Gregor Samsa for his views of metamorphosis and see what he has to say on the matter.

[Burney]

Change can be wonderful, of course, but that depends on what the changed thing changes into.

Ask Gregor Samsa for his views of metamorphosis and see what he has to say on the matter.

Well we all have a chance to shape that change, don't we? Indeed, those of us who voted Leave voted explicitly for change. Now we couldn't have foreseen that our established order - rather than doing the wise and historically tried-and-trusted British thing of allowing evolutionary change to prevent revolutionary change - has dug its heels in and thus effectively guaranteed the latter. But given that that has been the case, it's clearer than ever that change is necessary and desirable.

[Yesterday Once More]

Well we all have a chance to shape that change, don't we? Indeed, those of us who voted Leave voted explicitly for change. Now we couldn't have foreseen that our established order - rather than doing the wise and historically tried-and-trusted British thing of allowing evolutionary change to prevent revolutionary change - has dug its heels in and thus effectively guaranteed the latter. But given that that has been the case, it's clearer than ever that change is necessary and desirable.

The Peterborough by-election result will be such fun. Some will dismiss it as a protest vote and something which can happen from time to time in the middle of a parliamentary session. This is not the SDP in the early 80s - this is a sea change in politics.

[barrybueno]

I tend to agree, h. Rip it up and start again. Social class is such an outmoded basis for political parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESy-Z8vqMrE

I'm filling in for redgunamo

[John Bunnell]

Of course that will leave us with the tricky question of who to vote for. And who gets to govern. There doesn't appear to be anyone, you know, competent.

I imagine Lib Dems & Brexit Party (if run at GE) will become big forces. Cannot see one party winning outright we might have a few coalitions for a while.