Unfortunately a very fair result. Don't have the firepower as yet.

[Monty92]

Disappointing, very. An Arsenal coach worth his badge ought to be able to go to Manchester City and get at least a 0-0 draw, no matter our patchy form.

Yes, we have issues but we seem to be preserving, perpetuating, emphasising them, rather than detracting from them and eradicating them. For example, yes, our centre backs are too slow. But the first rule of being a slow centre back is that you must never ever get caught out for your lack of pace. And that's a training ground issue, albeit not exactly a new one, before anyone says anything. Just what is going on out there?!

Slow centre backs in possession-oriented teams are always going to get into trouble on occasion. You can't control a game without playing a defensive line that, on occasion, compromises your defenders.

The problem is when you're a defender that's slow AND 'front-footed', like Mustafi. Sokratis, in contrast, knows his limits, as I think does Holding. And they defend accordingly.

What made Kosceilny world class was that he had that Keown-esque 'rash' like inclination to chase down attackers, but also had the pace to recover if he got himself into trouble.

[redgunamo]

Slow centre backs in possession-oriented teams are always going to get into trouble on occasion. You can't control a game without playing a defensive line that, on occasion, compromises your defenders.

The problem is when you're a defender that's slow AND 'front-footed', like Mustafi. Sokratis, in contrast, knows his limits, as I think does Holding. And they defend accordingly.

What made Kosceilny world class was that he had that Keown-esque 'rash' like inclination to chase down attackers, but also had the pace to recover if he got himself into trouble.

"Front-footed"; I like that.

Still, it's the manager's job to put it right, on the training ground, to ensure that it is not exposed so often. No players are perfect but you cannot allow the team to be scuppered by the shortcomings of its constituent individuals.

[SWv2]

"Front-footed"; I like that.

Still, it's the manager's job to put it right, on the training ground, to ensure that it is not exposed so often. No players are perfect but you cannot allow the team to be scuppered by the shortcomings of its constituent individuals.

Monty doing his utmost there to come across like an effete Hebrew version of Jamie Carragher.

[IUFG]

Monty doing his utmost there to come across like an effete Hebrew version of Jamie Carragher.

tbf to Carragher... the high-pitched, dolphin-clicking like Scouser was spot on about Mustafi the other day.

[Pokster]

tbf to Carragher... the high-pitched, dolphin-clicking like Scouser was spot on about Mustafi the other day.

Sorry, in this case you are wrong! he stayed back to give a passing option, not exactly his fault Iwobi tried to dribble the ball where he did.... if he'd been level with Kos he'd have been in just a bad a position

[IUFG]

Sorry, in this case you are wrong! he stayed back to give a passing option, not exactly his fault Iwobi tried to dribble the ball where he did.... if he'd been level with Kos he'd have been in just a bad a position

Shirley, the goalkeeper is the back pass option in that situation?

Not a defender who becomes the second player, thus playing almost the entire pitch onside.

[redgunamo]

Shirley, the goalkeeper is the back pass option in that situation?

Not a defender who becomes the second player, thus playing almost the entire pitch onside.

Right. Ordinarily, all you'll be wanting there is a hoof-it-up-the-pitch option. But if we're going to insist on passing it out from the back then this sort of silliness is practically unavoidable, as M says.

[Pokster]

Shirley, the goalkeeper is the back pass option in that situation?

Not a defender who becomes the second player, thus playing almost the entire pitch onside.

They would have all been onside anyway as SL is playing them on... you give options to the player on the ball, you can't expect him to lose it their Clive

[SWv2]

Sorry, in this case you are wrong! he stayed back to give a passing option, not exactly his fault Iwobi tried to dribble the ball where he did.... if he'd been level with Kos he'd have been in just a bad a position

Iwobi you say.

Bobble headed shít**** that he is.

[IUFG]

Iwobi you say.

Bobble headed shít**** that he is.

that is a fair assessment there, sw