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Thread: Guardian lunacy part 356,871. Now this is a ripper.

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    Guardian lunacy part 356,871. Now this is a ripper.

    "Potty shaming – why blaming the parents is a political act

    Demonising parents for not getting kids out of nappies is part of a wider class agenda at the heart of the austerity programme"

    The people writing this stuff are actually mental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    "Potty shaming – why blaming the parents is a political act

    Demonising parents for not getting kids out of nappies is part of a wider class agenda at the heart of the austerity programme"

    The people writing this stuff are actually mental.
    What's the theory? That working class parents don't have the time to toilet train their kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    What's the theory? That working class parents don't have the time to toilet train their kids?
    You don't think there was actually a cogent point within the usual bilious tirade, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    What's the theory? That working class parents don't have the time to toilet train their kids?
    The usual de haut en bas lefty nonsense that treats the lower orders as hopeless children who cannot possibly ever be held responsible for their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    The usual de haut en bas lefty nonsense that treats the lower orders as hopeless children who cannot possibly ever be held responsible for their actions.
    But this is where you get into difficulty, isn't it, because that's exactly what you think too (as do I)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    But this is where you get into difficulty, isn't it, because that's exactly what you think too (as do I)
    No. I think the lower orders have been infantilised by decades of socialism and welfare dependency. Her attitude is simply the mechanism whereby the self-fulfilling prophecy of such dependency has come about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    No. I think the lower orders have been infantilised by decades of socialism and welfare dependency. Her attitude is simply the mechanism whereby the self-fulfilling prophecy of such dependency has come about.
    So the lower orders have such little agency that they're entirely susceptible to having their attitudes and behaviours influenced shaped by political ideology?

    Sounds a bit like something Andrew Adonis might say about Brexit voters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    So the lower orders have such little agency that they're entirely susceptible to having their attitudes and behaviours influenced shaped by political ideology?

    Sounds a bit like something Andrew Adonis might say about Brexit voters
    Not really. The lower orders have been subject to a programme of the most cack-handed social engineering (welfare, the NHS, comprehensive education, etc) for 70 fùcking years. All of which has served to destroy incentive and ambition and keep the proletariat nice and lumpen in a culture of dependency. This has rendered them politically apathetic and encouraged and sustained ignorance, while absolving individuals of responsibility for their outcomes.

    None of that removes the need for individual responsibility, but it does explain how we've got ourselves into this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Not really. The lower orders have been subject to a programme of the most cack-handed social engineering (welfare, the NHS, comprehensive education, etc) for 70 fùcking years. All of which has served to destroy incentive and ambition and keep the proletariat nice and lumpen in a culture of dependency. This has rendered them politically apathetic and encouraged and sustained ignorance, while absolving individuals of responsibility for their outcomes.

    None of that removes the need for individual responsibility, but it does explain how we've got ourselves into this mess.
    Of course, the lower orders are merely a cat's paw here, to secure support and funding for "welfare, the NHS, comprehensive education, etc", before their betters then pile in. It's those that know, and can afford, better who ought to be ashamed of themselves. After all, the issues you describe there persist way up the social scale. Although, I suppose that could have been the plan all along.
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