Now I'm pretty neutral about Brexit generally; but there is one narrative that really

[WES]

winds me up.

Listening to some Labour MP on Radio 4 yesterday and she dragged out the 'people voted for Brexit but they did not vote to lose jobs, a lack of economic growth, a loss of access to the common market etc etc blah blah blah'.

Absolute f*cking *******s, you thick muppet. The ballot that I checked and that everyone else checked said that you wanted to Leave, and nothing else. If you voted for it, then you voted for whatever you get. If reality has shown that leaving is very difficult (how thick would you have to be to not have known that) and there is a strong possibility that we get no deal (how thick would have to be to not have known that was a potential outcome) then too f*cking bad. If you don't like those options, then you shouldn't have voted to Leave.

I yelled at the radio good n proper when she brought that nonsense up.

[Burney]

winds me up.

Listening to some Labour MP on Radio 4 yesterday and she dragged out the 'people voted for Brexit but they did not vote to lose jobs, a lack of economic growth, a loss of access to the common market etc etc blah blah blah'.

Absolute f*cking *******s, you thick muppet. The ballot that I checked and that everyone else checked said that you wanted to Leave, and nothing else. If you voted for it, then you voted for whatever you get. If reality has shown that leaving is very difficult (how thick would you have to be to not have known that) and there is a strong possibility that we get no deal (how thick would have to be to not have known that was a potential outcome) then too f*cking bad. If you don't like those options, then you shouldn't have voted to Leave.

I yelled at the radio good n proper when she brought that nonsense up.

Of course. It's predicated on the absurd, patronising notion that we 'did not know what we were voting for'. This despite the fact that the Remain camp (including the sitting government) spent the entire campaign and a lot of taxpayers' money warning us of those potential consequences.
People still voted Leave because they saw those risks as preferable to continued membership of the EU. They voted Leave in spite of the possible negative consequences, not in ignorance of them.

[WES]

Of course. It's predicated on the absurd, patronising notion that we 'did not know what we were voting for'. This despite the fact that the Remain camp (including the sitting government) spent the entire campaign and a lot of taxpayers' money warning us of those potential consequences.
People still voted Leave because they saw those risks as preferable to continued membership of the EU. They voted Leave in spite of the possible negative consequences, not in ignorance of them.

Eggsacterly.

But Labour - for political reasons - and Remainers who can't accept that they lost still drag this nonsense up. But the ones who really irritate me are those that voted Leave and who now want to moan about the potential outcome.

I reserve a special type of contempt for them.

[Burney]

Eggsacterly.

But Labour - for political reasons - and Remainers who can't accept that they lost still drag this nonsense up. But the ones who really irritate me are those that voted Leave and who now want to moan about the potential outcome.

I reserve a special type of contempt for them.

I can't say I've come across a lot of those, tbh. No shortage of Leavers who believe this government's handling of Brexit has been pusillanimous, craven, incompetent and could almost have been designed to arrive at the worst possible outcome, but that's not quite the same thing.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Of course. It's predicated on the absurd, patronising notion that we 'did not know what we were voting for'. This despite the fact that the Remain camp (including the sitting government) spent the entire campaign and a lot of taxpayers' money warning us of those potential consequences.
People still voted Leave because they saw those risks as preferable to continued membership of the EU. They voted Leave in spite of the possible negative consequences, not in ignorance of them.

If everyone is so clued up from paying attention to the news, how come most Leave voters think we've already left the EU?

It's almost like many of them are thick as pigshît and don't actually pay any attention to politics. Who'da thunk it?

[WES]

If everyone is so clued up from paying attention to the news, how come most Leave voters think we've already left the EU?

It's almost like many of them are thick as pigshît and don't actually pay any attention to politics. Who'da thunk it?

I'm afraid you'd have to show me some proof that this allegation has any substance whatsoever, I'm certainly not taking your word for it.

'most Leave voters think we've already left the EU'

[SWv2]

Of course. It's predicated on the absurd, patronising notion that we 'did not know what we were voting for'. This despite the fact that the Remain camp (including the sitting government) spent the entire campaign and a lot of taxpayers' money warning us of those potential consequences.
People still voted Leave because they saw those risks as preferable to continued membership of the EU. They voted Leave in spite of the possible negative consequences, not in ignorance of them.

Is there not two separate but sometimes linked/confused issues.

People did not know what they were voting for, this is very plain and simple to understand. They were voting to Leave the EU or to stay within the EU. This essentially is the crux of your rant and for that I applaud you.

The secondary issue however, and one I have only seen alluded to as quite frankly I pay little attention to the life politic and especially when it is another’s mess, is the claim that people were openly and knowingly lied to in the run up to making their decision.

This is I have seen as the reason for a lot of anger and indeed the call for a second vote.

What confuses me further is the simple truth that people are lied to each and every time there is a vote or election of any type so why is this so different??

[IUFG]

What confuses me further is the simple truth that people are lied to each and every time there is a vote or election of any type so why is this so different??

well this time the UK is being bullied by the nasty EU gang.

oh, and the sun will disappear at 11.01am on the 29th March 2019

[Burney]

Is there not two separate but sometimes linked/confused issues.

People did not know what they were voting for, this is very plain and simple to understand. They were voting to Leave the EU or to stay within the EU. This essentially is the crux of your rant and for that I applaud you.

The secondary issue however, and one I have only seen alluded to as quite frankly I pay little attention to the life politic and especially when it is another’s mess, is the claim that people were openly and knowingly lied to in the run up to making their decision.

This is I have seen as the reason for a lot of anger and indeed the call for a second vote.

What confuses me further is the simple truth that people are lied to each and every time there is a vote or election of any type so why is this so different??

I’m afraid your argument falls down on the fact that the only people who are angry and call for a second vote are those who voted Remain in the first place. Those who voted Leave - and were supposedly lied to (and therefore would have the greatest reason to feel aggrieved, you’d have thought) show no desire whatsoever for a second vote.

In other words, the call for a second vote is just a cynical call by the tantrummy little people who lost for another go. They try to justify this cynical petulance with the patronising argument that they are just trying to protect us ignorant, common, uneducated Brexit voters from ourselves, since we are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

Those calling for a second vote are - frankly -middle-class snobs outraged that the lower orders have dared to defy their will and inconvenience them. When confronted by the fact that Brexit voters have no interest in being saved from themselves, the mask slips and they invariably descend into naked class hatred that characterises Brexit voters as racist, Neo-Nazi animals.

They are - frankly - arseholes.

[Pokster]

I’m afraid your argument falls down on the fact that the only people who are angry and call for a second vote are those who voted Remain in the first place. Those who voted Leave - and supposedly lied to (and therefore would have the greatest reason to feel aggrieved, you’d have thought) show no desire whatsoever for a second vote.

In other words, the call for a second vote is just a cynical call by the tantrummy little people who lost for another go. They try to justify this cynical petulance with the patronising, argument that they are just trying to protect us ignorant, common, uneducated Brexit voters from ourselves.

Those calling for a second vote are - frankly -middle-class snobs outraged that the lower orders have dared to defy their will and inconvenience them. When confronted by the fact that Brexit voters have no interest in being saved from themselves, the mask slips and they invariably descend into naked class hatred that characterises Brexit voters as racist, Nero-Nazi animals.

They are - frankly - arseholes.

Excuse me, where do you get the information that people who voted leave have shown no desire for a second vote? I haven't seen a single poll that says one way or the other