Hoeness seems to be taking this Ozil business in his stride

[7sisters]

Mesut Ozil has been slammed by Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness after announcing his retirement from Germany in a scathing attack.
"I am glad that this scare is now over. He has been playing s*** for years," Hoeness told Sport Bild. "He last won a tackle before the 2014 World Cup. And now he and his s***** performance hide beyond this picture.
"Whenever [Bayern] played against Arsenal, we played over him because we knew that was their weak point.
"His 35 million follower boys - that don't exist in the real world - are convinced he has played sublimely when he completes a cross pass.

'He last one a tackle before the 2014 world cup

[Burney]

Mesut Ozil has been slammed by Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness after announcing his retirement from Germany in a scathing attack.
"I am glad that this scare is now over. He has been playing s*** for years," Hoeness told Sport Bild. "He last won a tackle before the 2014 World Cup. And now he and his s***** performance hide beyond this picture.
"Whenever [Bayern] played against Arsenal, we played over him because we knew that was their weak point.
"His 35 million follower boys - that don't exist in the real world - are convinced he has played sublimely when he completes a cross pass.

'He last one a tackle before the 2014 world cup

Blimey. That seems quite extraordinarily vitriolic. He really isn't a popular boy in his native Germany, is he?

[Luis Anaconda]

Blimey. That seems quite extraordinarily vitriolic. He really isn't a popular boy in his native Germany, is he?

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

[Peter]

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

And if he really is that ****, are Germany not a bit daft for continuing to pick him? I mean, they are hardly short of players.....

[Burney]

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

Let's not hold a wish not to pay 28.5 million euros in tax against a chap, la.

[Luis Anaconda]

Let's not hold a wish not to pay 28.5 million euros in tax against a chap, la.

Bayern fans certainly don't

"He was re-elected on 25 November 2016 with more than 97% of the votes as there were no other candidates for this position."

Mind you given the problems his predecessor is having, at least Bayern won't make too much of being photographed with the leader of a country with dubious human rights record. I mean, all Mesut handed over was a shirt, not the entire World Cup, eh Franz

https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/a...ckenbauer.html

[Burney]

Bayern fans certainly don't

"He was re-elected on 25 November 2016 with more than 97% of the votes as there were no other candidates for this position."

Mind you given the problems his predecessor is having, at least Bayern won't make too much of being photographed with the leader of a country with dubious human rights record. I mean, all Mesut handed over was a shirt, not the entire World Cup, eh Franz

https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/a...ckenbauer.html

I must say, la, I don't know how to feel about your new-found loathing for Bayern. I understand it, of course, but still feel that it's not quite appropriate to get all het up about what is when all's said and done a foreign team.

[7sisters]

He's been voted German player of the year five times since 2011. Much of the vitriol comes from Bayern fans, who are delighted.
Outside of them I'm not sure the rantings of a convict reflects the true feelings of most Germans. Hoeness is pretty much reviled by non-Bayern fans as well.

From what I remember, I'm pretty sure Bavarians see themselves as elite and separate to the rest of Germany. That notwithstanding, his comments were harsh but resonate with a fair few of us who don't understand the game, of course. .

[Luis Anaconda]

From what I remember, I'm pretty sure Bavarians see themselves as elite and separate to the rest of Germany. That notwithstanding, his comments were harsh but resonate with a fair few of us who don't understand the game, of course. .

You're not wrong on the first part - this is indeed true. As for the second, I'm fairly sure Lionel Messi has never saved a penalty, yet is considered a good player. Özil isn't in the side to win tackles, he's there to create chances - he is phenomenally good at this (even in his "dreadful" world cup he created more than anyone in the group stages). Perphaps in the "fair few of you who don't understand the game, of course" did't think that such a player is a luxury rather than a vitally important asset, it would be worth taking you seriously

*I may have been a bit annoyed by Bayern fans this morning

[Sir C]

From what I remember, I'm pretty sure Bavarians see themselves as elite and separate to the rest of Germany. That notwithstanding, his comments were harsh but resonate with a fair few of us who don't understand the game, of course. .

Can yopu think of a reason why, on an international level, English football has been shít since 1970, while Germany consistently win trophies and countries as small as Belgium and Holland regularly do far better than England?

Here's a tiny clue. Ever since the early 70s people have been saying that English football needs to get over its obsession with running around a lot at the expense of technique, and try to coach some skill into young players, yet nothing at all has changed.

Are you starting to understand?