I see Brian Harvey has gone proper radio...

[Peter]

It shouldn't be necessary to have to qualify that when you use the pronoun "they" you don't necessarily actually mean "everyone"

So your point is that some people did vote to be poorer.

Or maybe some people voted for other people to be poorer?

[Monty92]

So your point is that some people did vote to be poorer.

Or maybe some people voted for other people to be poorer?

My point is that Soubry and her fellow remainers (including the entire global political and economic establishment) spent the entire campaign telling people that leaving would make them poorer.

Even if they didn't understand the precise reasons why, we can surely assume they understood the basic concept of leaving making them poorer.

So it seems odd for her to then come out and say "people didn't vote to be poorer"

[Peter]

My point is that Soubry and her fellow remainers (including the entire global political and economic establishment) spent the entire campaign telling people that leaving would make them poorer.

Even if they didn't understand the precise reasons why, we can surely assume they understood the basic concept of leaving making them poorer.

So it seems odd for her to then come out and say "people didn't vote to be poorer"

Fair enough. We dont know why they voted the way they did but we do know the information they were given.

We cant say they voted to be poorer anymore than she can claim that none of them did.

Of course, we dont actually want to be poorer.

[IUFG]

Fair enough. We dont know why they voted the way they did but we do know the information they were given.

We cant say they voted to be poorer anymore than she can claim that none of them did.

Of course, we dont actually want to be poorer.

ironically, if we remain/ed we'll get to vote on approximately the square root of fúck all on all matters that the EU want to impose.

[Monty92]

Fair enough. We dont know why they voted the way they did but we do know the information they were given.

We cant say they voted to be poorer anymore than she can claim that none of them did.

Of course, we dont actually want to be poorer.

What about people who favour higher taxes? They want to be poorer, in a very real sense

[Peter]

What about people who favour higher taxes? They want to be poorer, in a very real sense

Poorer in the immediate sense, but they believe richer in the broader sense.

Hardly anybody votes for higher income taxes these days....its all about indirect taxation now.

[Monty92]

Poorer in the immediate sense, but they believe richer in the broader sense.

Hardly anybody votes for higher income taxes these days....its all about indirect taxation now.

Poorer in the 'less f*cking money' sense. The same sense that Soubry means it.

You said no-one wants to be poorer. This is demonstrably untrue.

[Peter]

Poorer in the 'less f*cking money' sense. The same sense that Soubry means it.

You said no-one wants to be poorer. This is demonstrably untrue.

I said we dont want to be poorer.

I dont think that is what she meant. As I understood it she was talking about the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs. THat is a poorer society, not one with greater public spending arising from higher taxation. THey are very different things.