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Thread: Mixed feelings on that VAR ****. I felt it worked

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    If it means fewer bad decisions get made, it's a good thing. I simply don't see any counter-argument to that.
    It's a silly thing done in a silly way. But, if you must, then get the video umpire and his on-field colleagues to be in constant conference with each other, independent of baying from the players. If any of them notice anything, they should make their decision which is then relayed to everybody else through the on-field official-in-charge.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    No different to players being certain they're right when they're absolutely wrong, I think. The principle that the game must go on ought to be paramount, regardless of right or wrong. All we've done is encourage toddler-like tantruming, if that's a word, and a refusal to accept adjudication #NotMyUmpire
    But in this scenario, players are the children and referees are supposed to be the grown-ups. Being a grown-up means having your decision-making scrutinised.

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I'd agree that the standard of on-field umpiring has fallen dramatically, but would argue that that is because umpires are not being held to account for making poor on-field decisions. I'd argue that if your decisions are getting regularly overturned, you need to be kicked off the international umpire's panel and replaced with someone better. You'd soon see on-field decisions improving again.

    The Malan thing is bizarre. Sure, it was a terrible decision, but I can remember worse from the days before DRS. However, I've played cricket for 35 years and never in all that time have I even feathered one and not noticed it (I mean I've stood there swearing blind I didn't hit it when I knew I did, obviously, but that's different ). That someone can smash the ball into his pad like that and not know e's done it enough to challenge the decision is simply astonishing to me.

    In short, Malan was out there because he was a thick cünt.
    Thick hands not to have felt that edge!

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony C View Post
    Third umpire was useless yesterday....


    Yes, but that's a judgement call where the umpire is being asked to discern motive, which is not really what they're there for.

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Its hugely different. Player dont give a **** about right or wrong, they want what they want. Referees are supposed to want nothing, they are supposed to be impartial and interested only in getting a decision right.
    Not when players can "officially" appeal, it isn't; they are very often convinced before deciding a failed challenge could cost them.

    Just leave the whole business to the officials, imo, with video too. Far more seemly.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    It's a silly thing done in a silly way. But, if you must, then get the video umpire and his on-field colleagues to be in constant conference with each other, independent of baying from the players. If any of them notice anything, they should make their decision which is then relayed to everybody else through the on-field official-in-charge.
    That's what they do in Rugby Union, the off field ref also tells the onfield ref that he's looking at something whilst the game continues, that way the decision is usually in place by the time they reach the next break of play.

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    But in this scenario, players are the children and referees are supposed to be the grown-ups. Being a grown-up means having your decision-making scrutinised.
    Yes, but crucially, not by children.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony C View Post
    Third umpire was useless yesterday....

    Mind you, what's interesting about that decision is that from schoolboy level on, you're actually coached to run between the fielder and the stumps to increase the chances of the ball hitting you rather than the stumps on a tight run. It's basic stuff that's drilled into you like grounding your bat or backing up a throw.

    Given that, you could argue that batsmen could be given out every time the ball hits them from a throw.

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Not when players can "officially" appeal, it isn't; they are very often convinced before deciding a failed challenge could cost them.

    Just leave the whole business to the officials, imo, with video too. Far more seemly.
    Again, players bear no responsibility for the right decision being made. They are, by definition, wholly biased and are only interested in getting what they can.

    A referee has no allegiance other than to the truth. To stick to your decision when you are clearly wrong is the act of a ****

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Not when players can "officially" appeal, it isn't; they are very often convinced before deciding a failed challenge could cost them.

    Just leave the whole business to the officials, imo, with video too. Far more seemly.
    But it's not seemly at the moment. Referees are open to suggestions of bias and unfair dealing as things stand. Taking some decisions out of their hands can counterbalance that.

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