A comment I heard on the radio this morning

[Ash]

if by 'culture' they meant 'masculinity'.

Men touch women's knees, in part, because they are men with uniquely masculine biological traits, often combined with their position in the male-dominated power structure of society. And men also rape women for the same reasons.

The only discussion to be had is what we should do about it.

Once again, much like the Wenger debate, there's not as big a divergence of opinion as people might like to think.

And presumably we shouldn't be thinking in terms of a hierarchy of hate crime offences where giving someone a funny look is less serious than the Holocaust.

[Peter]

And presumably we shouldn't be thinking in terms of a hierarchy of hate crime offences where giving someone a funny look is less serious than the Holocaust.

You have to nip these things in the bud.

[Monty92]

And presumably we shouldn't be thinking in terms of a hierarchy of hate crime offences where giving someone a funny look is less serious than the Holocaust.

Well, again, being mean, whether it's a funny look or brazen bigotry, is part of the same culture, yes.

It's a bigger jump than when we're talking about expressions of masculine sexuality, but the parallel still exists.

[Peter]

Well, again, being mean, whether it's a funny look or brazen bigotry, is part of the same culture, yes.

It's a bigger jump than when we're talking about expressions of masculine sexuality, but the parallel still exists.

Holocaust culture.

[Monty92]

Holocaust culture.

No, being mean culture

[Peter]

No, being mean culture

That would make 'rape culture' the 'touching knee culture'. The whole point is that you name it after the biggest crime.

Unless you are happy with referring to the holocaust as just another part of the 'being mean culture'....

[Monty92]

That would make 'rape culture' the 'touching knee culture'. The whole point is that you name it after the biggest crime.

Unless you are happy with referring to the holocaust as just another part of the 'being mean culture'....

Fine, hate culture. Holocausts are fuelled by hate, so hate is the broader 'umbrella' crime.

[Peter]

Fine, hate culture. Holocausts are fuelled by hate, so hate is the broader 'umbrella' crime.

I can live with that. As below, this makes rape part of 'control culture'. Say that and you will be accused of trivialising rape, as though comparing it to touching a knee hasn't already done that.

Sorry, it has to be holocaust culture or nothing. I dont make the rules....

[Ash]

Well, again, being mean, whether it's a funny look or brazen bigotry, is part of the same culture, yes.

It's a bigger jump than when we're talking about expressions of masculine sexuality, but the parallel still exists.

You are mental. No offence, like.

[Peter]

You are mental. No offence, like.

You are embracing the 'being mean culture' here.

Next stop Dachau....