Granit Jacka

[Peter]

For sure. We lose too many silly games in similar circumstances year after year for the results to be down simply to individual error, it is a collective problem starting at Wenger and down through the players.

There are 2-3 players who will always be the lightning rod for fans anger, in some twisted world of reality I expect Ramsey is taking stick for Saturday even though he was absent. Xhaka stood still while Cleverley moved into space but the collapse in performance had happened long before.

The situation with Ozil and Sanchez, an absolute fúcking shambles which we created for ourselves in the summer. We are not selling, no way, we will stand firm, okay we will sell, shít it's too late.

Every bad performance or result turned into an over analysis of effort and attitude.

Long season ahead.

Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.

[Pokster]

Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.

Was that why he didn't play?? I assumed he was injured!

[redgunamo]

Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.

All the same though, players are not robots. Perhaps, after representing their countries, both Ramsey and Alexis were *emotionally* tired

[SWv2]

All the same though, players are not robots. Perhaps, after representing their countries, both Ramsey and Alexis were *emotionally* tired

Nonsense as then you are dealing with an issue here where your Manager/Coach and his staff are unable to motivate and prepare players, professional footballers after all, for a game.

I suspect you know where this is going.

[SWv2]

Agreed that this is not a problem re individuals but there is an issue with Ramsey. Not his fault, but the idea that a guy cant play at the weekend because he is too disappointed about a game in Cardiff on the previous Monday is ****ing ludicrous. If it was a family bereavement or something similar then yes, fair enough. But its ****ing football!

Anyone indulging their players like that is an idiot.

Is that why he was not playing or are you taking this from some anonymous internet story / the bloke at the end of the bar who drinks Pernod and black, think his name is Dave.

[Peter]

Is that why he was not playing or are you taking this from some anonymous internet story / the bloke at the end of the bar who drinks Pernod and black, think his name is Dave.

Ah, I see now that Wenger has claimed they had minor 'muscular alerts'.......nothing to see here.

[MickeyPearce]

Xhaka has been carrying an injury and needs to take about 2 months off to fully heal.

The lunatic saw the below and decided to try it for free kicks and well...it didn't go too well.

To keep him playing we have to drain his left foot twice a week.