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Thread: Not really sure why everyone's acting all shocked about the AfD gains in Germany.

  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Isn't there evidence that shows the most virulent anti-immigration protests are in areas where there are few migrants - as in the success of AfD in East Germany where there is very little

    Yes, there is some. THe most obvious cause of protest will be areas that are new to migration and are seeing foreigners for the first time. You then have areas that contain hardly any but believe they will be next.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Yes. It's also easy to lose sight of how vastly different London is with regard to immigration to the rest of the country. London is huge, wealthy and can absorb immigrants relatively easily. The rest of the country is very, very different in this regard. And if recent politics has shown us anything, it's that Londoners really do not have a fùcking clue how the rest of the country feels.
    Yes, this is one of the main issues. The cities are decently equipped to absorb the immigrants, but stick them in a town or village where there's not really any jobs and you just end up with a load of unemployed people roaming the streets all day. Over here they brought in a policy of forcing all the different boroughs to take refugees once they'd been given residency, this has forced these boroughs who have no form of social housing to buy apartments to house them all in. I don't know if you saw this wonderful story from last week

    https://www.thelocal.se/20170919/did...ee-wives-nacka

    That particular borough has spent £30m in the last 18 months buying apartments to house refugees. Sick of it.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Unfortunately, the media will always go towards the bereaved person who bleats on well-meaningly about forgiveness and tolerance. They are seen as saintly, while the sort of person you describe would first be seen a vengeful and vindictive and would eventually be smeared by association with some right-wing group or other and thus discredited. It's how it works.
    Almost as if forgiveness and tolerance were an intrinsic part of a Christian society

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Isn't there evidence that shows the most virulent anti-immigration protests are in areas where there are few migrants - as in the success of AfD in East Germany where there is very little
    There's no inherent contradiction there, though. Those who have small levels or no immigration are still in a position to do something to stop it and are thus most motivated to act.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Almost as if forgiveness and tolerance were an intrinsic part of a Christian society
    Sure, but such examples of forgiveness attract attention because they are the exception rather than the rule. Most normal people who have a loved one murdered by someone in the name of a certain ideology are unlikely to be terribly tolerant of that ideology from that moment forward.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    There's no inherent contradiction there, though. Those who have small levels or no immigration are still in a position to do something to stop it and are thus most motivated to act.
    Oh, I wasn't saying there was - just interesting as a counterpoint to Monty's London take on things.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    Large numbers of people who only experience the good side of immigration lack empathy with people who experience the more negative side. I have about 6 immigrant neighbours in my small block alone, but they are the good type - all middle class professionals and no Allans (except Mesut). We have lovely ethnic-owned restaurants nearby and all the non-British kids that go to our kids' school are likely to be middle class because of the catchment area.

    Why should immigration bother people like me?
    It shouldn't, but it clearly does. Which suggests that you are a man who is able to see beyond his own, narrow self interest and express a grave concern for your country. Well done, you.

    Unfortunately, this is also virtue signalling which makes you a ****.

    Sorry.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige View Post
    Yes, this is one of the main issues. The cities are decently equipped to absorb the immigrants, but stick them in a town or village where there's not really any jobs and you just end up with a load of unemployed people roaming the streets all day. Over here they brought in a policy of forcing all the different boroughs to take refugees once they'd been given residency, this has forced these boroughs who have no form of social housing to buy apartments to house them all in. I don't know if you saw this wonderful story from last week

    https://www.thelocal.se/20170919/did...ee-wives-nacka

    That particular borough has spent £30m in the last 18 months buying apartments to house refugees. Sick of it.
    Must feel good knowing your taxes paid for that.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Unfortunately, the media will always go towards the bereaved person who bleats on well-meaningly about forgiveness and tolerance. They are seen as saintly, while the sort of person you describe would first be seen a vengeful and vindictive and would eventually be smeared by association with some right-wing group or other and thus discredited. It's how it works.
    True. We saw this with one of the members of the Death Metal band that was performing at the Bataclan during the attack. The media were all over him - until they realised he was politically and socially conservative and he ended up getting banned from the reopening of the venue

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Sure, but such examples of forgiveness attract attention because they are the exception rather than the rule. Most normal people who have a loved one murdered by someone in the name of a certain ideology are unlikely to be terribly tolerant of that ideology from that moment forward.
    You'll never find a liberal rape victim, as someone once said.

    Though a few of Douglas Murray's anecdotes from his book do challenge that theory....

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