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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    It is a bit, yes. It was bad enough when CDs arrived and destroyed the notion of a song closing side 1 and opening side 2. Now you have people letting a piece of software choose random songs from an artist. It is obviously worse with someone like Dylan's who has a huge back catalogue but the principle itself is concerning.

    Imagine leaping from Highway Patrolman to Glory Days. It is just several kinds of wrong.
    Presumably you walk out of any concert when an artist doesn't play songs in album order then?

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Presumably you walk out of any concert when an artist doesn't play songs in album order then?
    I went to see Blur a number of years ago... was when the "best of" had come out, they played the whole album in the order they appeared
    Northern Monkey ... who can't upload a bleeding Avatar

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Presumably you walk out of any concert when an artist doesn't play songs in album order then?
    Well that is a live show and therefore totally different. One expects an artist to create a set list that makes sense and creates an atmosphere. One also expects them to create versions of the songs that work in the set list.

    Either way, it is the artist dictating the selection, not a machine.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Well that is a live show and therefore totally different. One expects an artist to create a set list that makes sense and creates an atmosphere. One also expects them to create versions of the songs that work in the set list.

    Either way, it is the artist dictating the selection, not a machine.
    Playlists aren't dictated by a machine but by demand from the customer. And quite right, too.

    You're dated on this one, Peter old bean.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    Playlists aren't dictated by a machine but by demand from the customer. And quite right, too.

    You're dated on this one, Peter old bean.
    Oh, I know that. Its entirely my problem. And you are right, I was thinking of a random selection.

    Nevertheless, I stand by everything I said.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Well that is a live show and therefore totally different. One expects an artist to create a set list that makes sense and creates an atmosphere. One also expects them to create versions of the songs that work in the set list.

    Either way, it is the artist dictating the selection, not a machine.
    They are still the same songs though for all your protestations and you accept songs can be played in an order other than they appear on an album. I don't think WES is a machine (not according to your mum anyway) so a playlist is not necessarily compiled by one, as you seem to think. Quiet possible for those listening to an artist's complete recorded work to select songs that work together or are pleasing to them, surely? Would you only go to a gallery and insist on seeing an artist's portfolio in the order he/she created works of art of would you trust a curator to put together a show that reflects the artist's assembled works in the most interesting light?

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    They are still the same songs though for all your protestations and you accept songs can be played in an order other than they appear on an album. I don't think WES is a machine (not according to your mum anyway) so a playlist is not necessarily compiled by one, as you seem to think. Quiet possible for those listening to an artist's complete recorded work to select songs that work together or are pleasing to them, surely? Would you only go to a gallery and insist on seeing an artist's portfolio in the order he/she created works of art of would you trust a curator to put together a show that reflects the artist's assembled works in the most interesting light?
    I have attended a few musical performances in recent years where an artist is celebrating the anniversary of an album* and they have played the entire concert in the exact sequence of the record.

    I am not convinced by it as a live experience, and that is before one overlooks the inevitable fact that most albums have low points**

    *A theme which appears to have lost the run of itself
    ** Apart from All Mod Cons

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWv2 View Post
    I have attended a few musical performances in recent years where an artist is celebrating the anniversary of an album* and they have played the entire concert in the exact sequence of the record.

    I am not convinced by it as a live experience, and that is before one overlooks the inevitable fact that most albums have low points**

    *A theme which appears to have lost the run of itself
    ** Apart from All Mod Cons
    Stranglers did this the other year when they played the whole of Black & White.

    Like All Mod Cons there are no low points.

    While all the points made in defence of playlists are valid, there is something As God Intended It about listening to an album properly - ie, tracks in the correct order and ideally on vinyl, so the impact of the tracks at the end of side 1 and beginning of side 2 make themselves felt. And with no fecking disembodied singles and b-sides tacked onto the end of the CD and basically ruining the thing. Grrr.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Stranglers did this the other year when they played the whole of Black & White.

    Like All Mod Cons there are no low points.

    While all the points made in defence of playlists are valid, there is something As God Intended It about listening to an album properly - ie, tracks in the correct order and ideally on vinyl, so the impact of the tracks at the end of side 1 and beginning of side 2 make themselves felt. And with no fecking disembodied singles and b-sides tacked onto the end of the CD and basically ruining the thing. Grrr.
    Absolutely agree. I'm sure there are tracks that I love on some albums that I didn't like to start with but had to listen to on vinyl or tape rather than being lazy and just skipping to the good ones on a CD

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Absolutely agree. I'm sure there are tracks that I love on some albums that I didn't like to start with but had to listen to on vinyl or tape rather than being lazy and just skipping to the good ones on a CD
    Exactly. You cant have people just skipping the bad songs. You should have to listen to them.

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