Not bad from the Daily Smash really

[redgunamo]

Yes there could. And if you are one of those, fine. If you care so much about sovereignty or the wrongs of the EU that you are prepared to see the nation become poorer in exchange for leaving, then fine. You were given the choice to vote for that and you have.

But there are a lot of people who aren't as bright, who believed the *******s about having your cake and eating it etc, who didn't vote to make themselves poorer and are going to be shocked if this comes to pass.

One sister-in-law in Cornwall is lovely but not the best educated. She doesn't even understand what taxes go on, for example. She didn't realise that Cornwall was a net EU beneficiary, and when arguing with my beloved (her sister) some months back, while it's dawning on her now that things may not be the milk and honey promised, she's convinced herself that Brexit will only hurt the London economy, not Cornwall's. {This is when my babe asked her about damaging the City and all the taxes they pay, and sis-in-law asked what taxes get spent on.}

She's not a racist, has no problem with immigrants as there aren't any down there, and doesn't even know what sovereignty means or what the ECJ is.

But she was voting out.

Why? In her words "To **** the lot of them."

Her seat is a safe Tory one. This was her one chance, in her mind, to have her voice heard and she was just going to tell all of them to get screwed.

That is what the vote meant to her, and her vote counts just as much as yours and mine despite the different level of analysis behind our respective decisions.

You have to accept that there are many voters like this, and that if we get poorer, a lot poorer, they won't blame themselves for not having researched it enough. Someone will have cheated them.

As I say, all this is a hypothetical discussion predicated on the assumption that we do become noticeably poorer, which is a possibility.

No, people just need to get a job, imo.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

No, people just need to get a job, imo.

She's got a job. She's good at it. She runs the nautical college canteen. But among the 52% who voted out I guess there were quite a few who voted simply to say **** you to the "elite"/"establishment"/"them".

They didn't realise how serious this could be. Not at all. I don't think any of us did. I didn't think about things like Euratom or science funding or that car components can go back and forth across the channel 190 times during manufacture. Or that we don't have the space to check all the lorries going through Dover.

It also really worries me because the only papers that are covering the negative economic consequences are behind a paywall. The Times and Economist (which I have logins for) and apparently the FT (which I don't.)

The graun is only dealing with the social side - we must take the immigrants to show how PC we are. Only the Times et al are saying we need the immigrants or we'll all be skint.

Unless you read those papers, you won't have much idea how badly this is turning out if you're a leave voter. The pro-Brexit press ignores all this and Brexiters don't share this stuff with each other on social media.

This is why it shocks me that so many intelligent Brexiters still think all is gonna be fine. Because the Times are reporting daily on all the econ consequences. With the Beeb cowed into submission and the Graun only caring about identity politics and being right on, most people are stuck in their social media echo chambers.

This new media has really divided people. I don't like it. Half the country don't realise the economic crisis we face, well a lot more actually, most Graun readers aren't aware of the economics, perhaps because they don't like supporting business as Berni suggested.

We're risking screwing the country and most people don't know.

[Sir C]

No, C. I'm only ranting 2 things really.

1. It could be the case that we become poorer than we would have been had we stayed and we never get back to where we would have been. eg that our GDP per capita drops from French towards Spanish levels and then never ever gets back to equality with France. This is a possibility.

2. It could be the case that the country is too divided to fix, especially with these spineless ****wits on both sides of the HoC. We could have some form of civil strife as one half of the country blames the other for the **** up, and we could have extremist populists telling the Brexiters that it's not their fault that they are poorer, it's because they've been stabbed in the back by traitors a bit like Germans after WW1.

While 2 is still far, far less likely than 1, it is an outside possibility which should be considered.

To be honest, I'm all in favour of a bit of civil strife. The feckless left is out of control and there appears to be no brake on the advance of toxic identity politics; we live in an age where thoughtcrime is within touching distance.

In short, a civil war is the only thing which can save our society and culture.

[dismalswamp]

Given up on the Mash since it decided to turn itself into yet another mouthpiece for lefty wànkerdom.

Agreed. Its lefty anti brexit anti Trump *******s ruined it. Shame really.

[redgunamo]

She's got a job. She's good at it. She runs the nautical college canteen. But among the 52% who voted out I guess there were quite a few who voted simply to say **** you to the "elite"/"establishment"/"them".

They didn't realise how serious this could be. Not at all. I don't think any of us did. I didn't think about things like Euratom or science funding or that car components can go back and forth across the channel 190 times during manufacture. Or that we don't have the space to check all the lorries going through Dover.

It also really worries me because the only papers that are covering the negative economic consequences are behind a paywall. The Times and Economist (which I have logins for) and apparently the FT (which I don't.)

The graun is only dealing with the social side - we must take the immigrants to show how PC we are. Only the Times et al are saying we need the immigrants or we'll all be skint.

Unless you read those papers, you won't have much idea how badly this is turning out if you're a leave voter. The pro-Brexit press ignores all this and Brexiters don't share this stuff with each other on social media.

This is why it shocks me that so many intelligent Brexiters still think all is gonna be fine. Because the Times are reporting daily on all the econ consequences. With the Beeb cowed into submission and the Graun only caring about identity politics and being right on, most people are stuck in their social media echo chambers.

This new media has really divided people. I don't like it. Half the country don't realise the economic crisis we face, well a lot more actually, most Graun readers aren't aware of the economics, perhaps because they don't like supporting business as Berni suggested.

We're risking screwing the country and most people don't know.

If you have a job then there's no worries, is there. Don't be greedy