So a left wing politician dares to point out that

[Peter]

Yes, I refuse to accept that it has already happened because it demonstrably hasn't. Jihadists and child rapists are merely on the inside of a collection of concentric circles, but on the outside are the millions upon millions with views about human rights, women’s rights, and gay rights that are incompatible with the kind of civilisation we should all want to live in.

Have you not seen the polls conducted in recent years about the views of Muslims in the UK and Europe on such issues? And you believe that Islam has already achieved a kind of reformation?

Oh, I am not saying they are all wonderfully enlightened liberals. And when I say it has happened I am not saying it is done and dusted.

In the broader scheme of women's rights and gay rights they are not alone. Plenty of the rest of the world has some catching up to do.


It is clear there is work to do within our own muslim communities. I can only tell you, having lived among huge muslin communities since I was a child, that the very idea of this kind of behaviour is as appalling to them to them as it is to you. There is plenty of goodwill to work with.

[redgunamo]

Oh, I am not saying they are all wonderfully enlightened liberals. And when I say it has happened I am not saying it is done and dusted.

In the broader scheme of women's rights and gay rights they are not alone. Plenty of the rest of the world has some catching up to do.


It is clear there is work to do within our own muslim communities. I can only tell you, having lived among huge muslin communities since I was a child, that the very idea of this kind of behaviour is as appalling to them to them as it is to you. There is plenty of goodwill to work with.

Do you speak their language, P, whatever it is?

[Monty92]

Do you speak their language, P, whatever it is?

I do:

White girl = trash
Non-muslim = kuffir
Muslim who questions Islam = heretic
Anyone who draws a cartoon of Muhammed = blasphemer

It's a pretty simple language to learn, to be honest.

[Monty92]

Oh, I am not saying they are all wonderfully enlightened liberals. And when I say it has happened I am not saying it is done and dusted.

In the broader scheme of women's rights and gay rights they are not alone. Plenty of the rest of the world has some catching up to do.


It is clear there is work to do within our own muslim communities. I can only tell you, having lived among huge muslin communities since I was a child, that the very idea of this kind of behaviour is as appalling to them to them as it is to you. There is plenty of goodwill to work with.

Can I ask, are you or are you not in favour of secularising Islam?

[Pokster]

Can I ask, are you or are you not in favour of secularising Islam?

Have you and Peter thought of setiing up a REHASHWIMB as you seem to keep posting the same crap over and over again every month or so

[Sir C]

Have you and Peter thought of setiing up a REHASHWIMB as you seem to keep posting the same crap over and over again every month or so

I find their exchanges both enlightening and thought provoking

[redgunamo]

I find their exchanges both enlightening and thought provoking

Your mum is both enlightening and thought provoking.

[Sir C]

Your mum is both enlightening and thought provoking.

ty r. When I asked her her opinion of you she just told me you've got a huge knob.

[redgunamo]

ty r. When I asked her her opinion of you she just told me you've got a huge knob.

I'm surprised she could tell, to be honest.

[Peter]

Have you and Peter thought of setiing up a REHASHWIMB as you seem to keep posting the same crap over and over again every month or so

You always say that. Quite frankly it is becoming a bit ****ing boring.