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Thread: Right, that's it. That prick Kroenke has finally dragged our name into the gutter.

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Oh, no. I'm talking about your modern breed of billionaire types. They're usually oil tycoons, sheiks, despots or - worst of all - American and therefore we must assume evil.

    Saw Dunkirk yesterday. Really awfully good. Although there was one point at which a chap appeared to shoot down a Stuka while he had no fuel, but I might have been confused.
    I am contemplating going to the cinema in order to have the big screen experience. I'm quite excited about having such an adventure (a one-off of course).

    I should say that a gliding Spitfire would be well capable of shooting down a Stuka. Best glide speed on a Spitfire is going to be about 120 kts, I'd say, which is probably about the speed at which a Stuka would be waddling around.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    I am contemplating going to the cinema in order to have the big screen experience. I'm quite excited about having such an adventure (a one-off of course).

    I should say that a gliding Spitfire would be well capable of shooting down a Stuka. Best glide speed on a Spitfire is going to be about 120 kts, I'd say, which is probably about the speed at which a Stuka would be waddling around.
    Oh, fair enough, then.

    Yes, you must see it in a cinema. At home just wouldn't be the same, since the score is basically the star of the film.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    I am contemplating going to the cinema in order to have the big screen experience. I'm quite excited about having such an adventure (a one-off of course).

    I should say that a gliding Spitfire would be well capable of shooting down a Stuka. Best glide speed on a Spitfire is going to be about 120 kts, I'd say, which is probably about the speed at which a Stuka would be waddling around.
    I flew in a Harvard SJN-5 from Compton Abbas yesterday. What a wonderful bird she is.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Oh, no. I'm talking about your modern breed of billionaire types. They're usually oil tycoons, sheiks, despots or - worst of all - American and therefore we must assume evil.

    Saw Dunkirk yesterday. Really awfully good. Although there was one point at which a chap appeared to shoot down a Stuka while he had no fuel, but I might have been confused.
    Some horribly pretentious c*nt in the Times gave it 2 stars out of 5 which is completely contradictory to virtually every other review I've seen. Some horrible artsy fartsy nonsense about losing its message for technology blah blah blah.

    I'm seeing it Friday

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    Some horribly pretentious c*nt in the Times gave it 2 stars out of 5 which is completely contradictory to virtually every other review I've seen. Some horrible artsy fartsy nonsense about losing its message for technology blah blah blah.

    I'm seeing it Friday
    That person ought to be fired, since they clearly know fvck all about films.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I flew in a Harvard SJN-5 from Compton Abbas yesterday. What a wonderful bird she is.
    A poor, fat old girl. I used to feel guilty hauling a Harvard off the ground. She clearly didn't want to be airborne.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    That person ought to be fired, since they clearly know fvck all about films.
    Be fair though, there are few women or people of colour represented, so it must be ****.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    A poor, fat old girl. I used to feel guilty hauling a Harvard off the ground. She clearly didn't want to be airborne.
    She is rather bulky but when she gets up to speed she can move.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    She is rather bulky but when she gets up to speed she can move.
    Agreed, but that's enough about your mum.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    That person ought to be fired, since they clearly know fvck all about films.
    The c*nts name is Kevin Maher. This sound like what you watched?

    There’s a gnawing cinematic paradox that runs through Christopher Nolan’s Dunkirk, and ultimately brings it to its knees. Namely, the more truth you attempt to deliver, the more fake your movie appears. “Look!” says Dunkirk, at every turn, as it re-imagines the near-miraculous wartime evacuation (340,000 lives saved, against all odds) via 106 dizzying minutes of sound and fury signifying not very much at all. “Over there! That’s a real navy destroyer, not special effects! And up there — they’re real Spitfires whizzing overhead! And those 1,500 extras over there — they’re really in the water!” And on it goes, this bizarre catalogue of show’n’tell that is so caught up in the self-satisfaction of its own spectacle that it neglects the fundamental, crucial element — drama.

    And by “drama” I don’t mean momentum, or tick-tocky countdowns. There are tons of these in Dunkirk. The film is countdown crazy. It cross-cuts continually between three nominal protagonists, each of whom is very much on the clock. Newcomer Fionn Whitehead is the every-soldier Tommy (yep, Tommy, we get it) who is, essentially, in a big race from the moment he appears on screen — will he get across the beach and on to the ship before it leaves? Will he get out of the water before the ship, now sinking, squashes him against the pier? Will he get out of the next ship before it sinks too? And will he get out of the water before the surface oil spill catches fire? Then there’s the emotionless RAF automaton, Farrier, played by Tom Hardy’s eyeballs (Hardy’s face is mostly hidden by a pilot’s mask, although he does get to deliver hackneyed corkers such as, “I’m on this one. You take that one!”). Farrier’s fuel gauge takes a hit early on and so everything he does, and every strangely repetitious dogfight (they may be real planes but that doesn’t alchemically turn their scenes into movie gold), is done with the knowledge that Farrier’s fuel, and his time, is running out.

    Finally, there’s the old man Mr Dawson, the closest thing the film has to an actual, genuine character. As played by Mark Rylance, with that classic lilting cadence, Dawson is a kindly pleasure-boater who has picked up a shell-shocked soldier (Cillian Murphy) on the way to join the flotilla of civilian rescue boats (aka the Little Ships of Dunkirk). The Dawson scenes are driven by the urgency of the evacuation itself and by the question of whether Murphy’s soldier will go berserk, Dead Calm style, before they get across the channel (like Billy Zane in that movie, Murphy’s soldier is locked below when he becomes obstreperous and aggressive). Writer-director Nolan, however, clearly felt that the Dawson section wasn’t hysterical enough and so has included a ridiculous side story about the cabin boy George (Barry Keoghan), who falls over, bangs his head and might just bleed to death if everyone else doesn’t just, you know, hurry up.

    And so the film cuts manically back and forth between these three strands with all the empathetic prowess of Call of Duty: Dunkirk Edition, while clattering you about the ears with a cacophonous, amphetamine-rush soundtrack by Hans Zimmer that can best be described as an express train full of cutlery crashing into an explosives factory. Thankfully, there are brief moments of silence in the score. They allow you to appreciate the sweet pinging of tinnitus.

    The defence for the film is that it’s “immersive”, and that it is shot on big spectacular Imax and 65mm cameras (they have big frames for big images), and that it’s a new kind of visual storytelling. The problem, however, with prioritising visuals over drama, character arcs and empathy, is that those same visuals can easily find themselves exposed and lacking. Nolan’s oft-declared penchant for filming real things, as well as being oddly misguided (film is fiction, let’s not kid ourselves — fake is fine), often leaves the frames of Dunkirk looking strangely undernourished. Once the 1,500 extras from the opening beach scenes have gone home, it’s quite the task to fill those big frames with so-called real stuff. The film’s Little Ships sequence, especially, was crying out for some lovely CGI boats to make up the numbers. There couldn’t have been more than 20 on screen (but they’re real!), compared to the roughly 700 that participated in 1940. Indeed, even Mrs Miniver, from 1942, one of the last significant movies to deal with Dunkirk, had at least 100 boats in its flotilla scenes.




    And in the end that’s probably the greatest disappointment of all. The evacuation of Dunkirk, as an event of global historical importance, has been shamefully underrepresented on film. This was a chance to make a The Longest Day of our era. Or a homegrown Saving Private Ryan. Instead, in all its superficial pulse-quickening antics, Dunkirk is no more than Baby Driver Goes to War.
    12A, 106min

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