This Russian "interference" with US elections

[Mo Britain less Europe]

I don't get what the problem is. Didn't the EU and the US interfere with the Brexit referendum?

[redgunamo]

I don't get what the problem is. Didn't the EU and the US interfere with the Brexit referendum?

The issue seems to be willful collusion, rather than mere interference. Although, I suppose they would say that, wouldn't they.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

Well, my point is that every country tends to have a preferred outcome for the result of an election in another country, and sometimes tries to help the result. It's hardly sending in the troops is it?

[Ash]

I don't get what the problem is. Didn't the EU and the US interfere with the Brexit referendum?

Of course they did, and the US does far worse than interfere with elections all the time. They endlessly invade countries under false pretences, fund and train terrorists proxies to disrupt, destroy and partition states, sponsor fascist coups against democratically-elected governments (from Chile to Ukraine), and constantly interfere and meddle with NGOs and 'colour revolutions'.

There is more evidence of Ukrainian Government interference to assist Clinton than of Russian interference to assist Trump. The 'hacking' story is based on no hard evidence at all. Other stories about Trump contacts being in the same room as a Russian person at some point are, as CNN eventually admitted, "nothing burgers".

The USA 'deep state' really is The Great Satan, as Iran described it all those years ago, and the establishment coup unfolding against Trump, and the march to war against Russia prove that it is a psychotic, fascist, criminal entity masquerading as democracy. #fakedemocracy.

There. I said it.

[redgunamo]

Well, my point is that every country tends to have a preferred outcome for the result of an election in another country, and sometimes tries to help the result. It's hardly sending in the troops is it?

Oh, right. Well, many in the community feel "cyber warfare" certainly should be taken more seriously; much more seriously.

That is, if that's what this was. Which it probably was, unless it wasn't.

[redgunamo]

Bit harsh, A. We can't be expected to think of everything.

Of course they did, and the US does far worse than interfere with elections all the time. They endlessly invade countries under false pretences, fund and train terrorists proxies to disrupt, destroy and partition states, sponsor fascist coups against democratically-elected governments (from Chile to Ukraine), and constantly interfere and meddle with NGOs and 'colour revolutions'.

There is more evidence of Ukrainian Government interference to assist Clinton than of Russian interference to assist Trump. The 'hacking' story is based on no hard evidence at all. Other stories about Trump contacts being in the same room as a Russian person at some point are, as CNN eventually admitted, "nothing burgers".

The USA 'deep state' really is The Great Satan, as Iran described it all those years ago, and the establishment coup unfolding against Trump, and the march to war against Russia prove that is a psychotic, fascist, criminal entity masquerading as democracy. #fakedemocracy.

There. I said it.

[Sir C]

Of course they did, and the US does far worse than interfere with elections all the time. They endlessly invade countries under false pretences, fund and train terrorists proxies to disrupt, destroy and partition states, sponsor fascist coups against democratically-elected governments (from Chile to Ukraine), and constantly interfere and meddle with NGOs and 'colour revolutions'.

There is more evidence of Ukrainian Government interference to assist Clinton than of Russian interference to assist Trump. The 'hacking' story is based on no hard evidence at all. Other stories about Trump contacts being in the same room as a Russian person at some point are, as CNN eventually admitted, "nothing burgers".

The USA 'deep state' really is The Great Satan, as Iran described it all those years ago, and the establishment coup unfolding against Trump, and the march to war against Russia prove that it is a psychotic, fascist, criminal entity masquerading as democracy. #fakedemocracy.

There. I said it.

You're a selfless chap, a. Going all :wibble: so we don't miss Jorge.

[SWv2]

Of course they did, and the US does far worse than interfere with elections all the time. They endlessly invade countries under false pretences, fund and train terrorists proxies to disrupt, destroy and partition states, sponsor fascist coups against democratically-elected governments (from Chile to Ukraine), and constantly interfere and meddle with NGOs and 'colour revolutions'.

There is more evidence of Ukrainian Government interference to assist Clinton than of Russian interference to assist Trump. The 'hacking' story is based on no hard evidence at all. Other stories about Trump contacts being in the same room as a Russian person at some point are, as CNN eventually admitted, "nothing burgers".

The USA 'deep state' really is The Great Satan, as Iran described it all those years ago, and the establishment coup unfolding against Trump, and the march to war against Russia prove that it is a psychotic, fascist, criminal entity masquerading as democracy. #fakedemocracy.

There. I said it.

The real criminal ain't living
In a run down council flat
He's residing on a beach somewhere
Panama cigar and hat

The real terrorist ain't sporting a beard
Or reading the Quran
He's sitting in 10 Downing Street
And he works for Uncle Sam

[Peter]

Of course they did, and the US does far worse than interfere with elections all the time. They endlessly invade countries under false pretences, fund and train terrorists proxies to disrupt, destroy and partition states, sponsor fascist coups against democratically-elected governments (from Chile to Ukraine), and constantly interfere and meddle with NGOs and 'colour revolutions'.

There is more evidence of Ukrainian Government interference to assist Clinton than of Russian interference to assist Trump. The 'hacking' story is based on no hard evidence at all. Other stories about Trump contacts being in the same room as a Russian person at some point are, as CNN eventually admitted, "nothing burgers".

The USA 'deep state' really is The Great Satan, as Iran described it all those years ago, and the establishment coup unfolding against Trump, and the march to war against Russia prove that it is a psychotic, fascist, criminal entity masquerading as democracy. #fakedemocracy.

There. I said it.

Can't you see, Trump IS the establishment. He is the fool as king for a day. Its all part of the same plan.

Wake up, sheeple!

[eastgermanautos]

Of course they did, and the US does far worse than interfere with elections all the time. They endlessly invade countries under false pretences, fund and train terrorists proxies to disrupt, destroy and partition states, sponsor fascist coups against democratically-elected governments (from Chile to Ukraine), and constantly interfere and meddle with NGOs and 'colour revolutions'.

There is more evidence of Ukrainian Government interference to assist Clinton than of Russian interference to assist Trump. The 'hacking' story is based on no hard evidence at all. Other stories about Trump contacts being in the same room as a Russian person at some point are, as CNN eventually admitted, "nothing burgers".

The USA 'deep state' really is The Great Satan, as Iran described it all those years ago, and the establishment coup unfolding against Trump, and the march to war against Russia prove that it is a psychotic, fascist, criminal entity masquerading as democracy. #fakedemocracy.

There. I said it.

Oh please. Thanks for your views Ivan. The Russians' fingerprints are all over this one. Indeed, their hands, elbows, and fat schnozzes too. Besides, the Russians do all kinds of shady sh!t. Ukraine, Crimea, Georgia, etc.