Reply With QuoteRight, but I think the argument is that we should.Originally Posted by Peter
True. One could argue that when we talk about the best footballers ever we don't specifically say they are male. Just the best.
Pele never played against a women's team.
Right, but I think the argument is that we should.
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."
In the same way that you would probably not complain if someone said Floyd Mayweather is the best boxer ever, without qualifying that you know he'd be beaten to a pulp by every heavyweight on earth.
This is why sensible people always talk about the 'best pound-for-pound' fighter in the world rather than making silly, meaningless statements that ignore the reality that a tiny man like Mayweather wouldn't even scratch most heavyweights and would very likely be killed were one to land a blow on him.
So must it be with female tennis players. Male tennis players are demonstrably better players as they would beat their female equivalents. Thus, a woman cannot be the best tennis player in history by definition.
In the fight game, they use the term "pound for pound" to qualify any subjective judgements and address issues regarding weight divisions and so on.
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."
Ah but in bocing they always say pound for pound...... which is a kop out
Northern Monkey ... who can't upload a bleeding Avatar
Yes. Because it is a given.
You saying Shay Given is the best player ever... i know you claim to be Irish but that is taking the piss
Northern Monkey ... who can't upload a bleeding Avatar
Mixed Martial Arts was invented to answer all these questions anyway, wasn't it? Like Mixed Doubles in tennis,
I suppose.
"Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.
"But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."
Why is it a cop out? It's simply an acknowledgement that it would be absurd to say that Sugar Ray Robinson was a better fighter than Muhammad Ali since - had they ever fought - Ali would almost certainly have won due to his greater size, weight, strength and reach.
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