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Thread: So it seems our chums in the ever-democratic EU are threatening to suspend Poland's

  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    There is a middle ground and it is called parliamentary democracy. The public get to choose a few hundred people to make these decisions for us.

    They either know best or they are not up to the job. The rest of us have our own work to be getting on with.
    Absolutely, and I'm a big fan of it - as long as it remains representative. Where that duty of representation fails - as it did so abjectly on the question of the EU - then the need for recourse to direct democracy arises.

  2. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    There is a middle ground and it is called parliamentary democracy. The public get to choose a few hundred people to make these decisions for us.

    They either know best or they are not up to the job. The rest of us have our own work to be getting on with.
    No, they know nothing, which is why they can all be readily ignored. As you say, just get on with your own life.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Plenty of recent immigrants too. Perhaps even too much plenty.
    Yes. You have to say this for the keen rapists of the Red Army: whatever their faults, a lack of thoroughness was not among them.

  4. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    We bow to nobody, b. We owe Europe nothing and ask nothing from it. If they cant fight off the Gerries that is their problem. Let it never again become ours.

    Our future lies with our past in the East. A new Pax Britannica.....
    That would be great. Trouble is, an o'ermighty Germany will inevitably end up bothering us.

    Maybe we could nuke them now? It would save an awful lot of time later.

  5. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Yes. You have to say this for the keen rapists of the Red Army: whatever their faults, a lack of thoroughness was not among them.
    Decent lads, but they will insist on wearing shower flip-flops outdoors
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  6. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by redgunamo View Post
    Decent lads, but they will insist on wearing shower flip-flops outdoors
    Hairy backs. That's the thing that always strikes me about Russians. Hairy backs.

    It's a sign of coarse breeding, you know.

  7. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult View Post
    1. We haven't extracted ourselves from German hegemony. We had been pooling sovereignty. We got our way in votes 95% of the time, more than both Germany and France. We now have no say in the rules that govern 44% of our exports.

    2.The UK and Turkey as military powers? Lol. Bring in France and we can have Crimea 2.0. And we don't want hostile relations with our major trade partner.

    3. How are we going to afford to arm? We are predicted to lose 9.5% of our GDP by 2030 because of Brexit. The public - including the idiots who voted fro Brexit - are now saying they want an end to austerity. Yet they voted to see the pound fall by 15-20%, which isn't helpful for a country with a large current account deficit, and for inflation to go well beyond the MPC's 2% remit and for a massive fall in our GDP.

    Brexit is going to make us much, much poorer, as everyone knows full well. It disgusts me that there were about a dozen studies looking at how much Brexit will cost us in GDP loss, and all but one said it would be big. The other was was Economists for Brexit - 8 people. So because 8 ideologues came up with taht crap about us being richer, the Beeb were froced to say that there were arguments both ways.

    And now all the predictions - as people realise what it entails - are saying it's going to be much worse than we thought a year ago.

    By on earth did people vote to make themselves much poorer? The public should never have been entrusted with such a decision. We don't have the space or facilities to have customs checks at the ports for all the containers. Euratom, the fall in all the NHS workers etc. The rural food industry can't get the fruit pickers et al it needs.

    I really worry for thsi country. If people are complaining about austerity now, what will they do in a decade when GDP is down 10%? They were moaning about only getting a 1% public sector pay rise. Now we need 3% just to keep real wages on a par.

    People are going to realise that they have become a lot, lot poorer and that the reduced growth will devastate the public services they rely on. And what happens when the voters or govt have to decide which groups of people suffer most from the shrinking pie.

    One half of the country will know that it's all the fault of the other half.

    I can see a dark political future for this country, potentially.

    When people see that we've fallen from being as rich as France to as poor as Portugal, and knowing that unlike, say, the Wall St crash that:
    1. It's not affecting every nation, just us.
    2. That it's not going to go back to how it was, we've got this forever.
    3. That it wasn't outsiders - foreign bankers or a hostile power - that's to blame, it's one half of our fellow citizens.

    Do you not worry about how voters wil react when it dawns on them what they have either done or had done to them by the other group?
    You've marshaled a lot of facts here, my friend. I will say this. Sometimes it's about having *the right* to assert yourself. It may cause a lot of ****, but freedom isn't free. Ganpati. Freedom isn't free. These Europeans are always trying to take British babies and use them in some sort of new socialistic food bank. They get reconstituted as paste, or pellets. So it's hardly surprising that the British wanted to say, enough.

  8. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by eastgermanautos View Post
    You've marshaled a lot of facts here, my friend. I will say this. Sometimes it's about having *the right* to assert yourself. It may cause a lot of ****, but freedom isn't free. Ganpati. Freedom isn't free. These Europeans are always trying to take British babies and use them in some sort of new socialistic food bank. They get reconstituted as paste, or pellets. So it's hardly surprising that the British wanted to say, enough.
    Finally, our colonial cousins appear across the pond to put all straight.

    wd ega.

  9. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Hairy backs. That's the thing that always strikes me about Russians. Hairy backs.

    It's a sign of coarse breeding, you know.
    Well all the decent ones were either killed or fled between 1917 and 1953. Only the dregs are left.

  10. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Absolutely, and I'm a big fan of it - as long as it remains representative. Where that duty of representation fails - as it did so abjectly on the question of the EU - then the need for recourse to direct democracy arises.
    Which is where the peculiarly british pomposity about representation starts to get on my ****ing tits. The notion that YOUR MP is elected to represent YOUR views has been utter nonsense since political parties acquired the semblance of party organisation in the 1830s.

    The first thing your MP does on arrival at Westminster is take the whip, meaning he speaks, acts and votes with and for his party. What his constituents may or may not believe does not matter a jot for another 4 and a half years.
    You either accept this arrangement or you don’t.

    Demanding a referendum when it doesn’t get you what you want is not the done thing at all.

    Poor form.

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