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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Here is an absolute classic Guardian reader Could it be jorge?

    "The problem with historical war and religious films is that the stories present a narrative that is often untrue and misleading. In the case of WW2, historical evidence proves the UK was instrumental in provoking the war, after Hitler had sought peace and agreement with Poland. Britain interfered and ensured the poles didn't make any agreement with Germany, which resulted in the war. That said, Nolan is a terrific filmmaker and no doubt the film will stand out for technical excellence."
    With regard to the specific instance of Poland, it isn't completely inaccurate. It just ignores the context and that it makes it fantastically stupid.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Here is an absolute classic Guardian reader Could it be jorge?

    "The problem with historical war and religious films is that the stories present a narrative that is often untrue and misleading. In the case of WW2, historical evidence proves the UK was instrumental in provoking the war, after Hitler had sought peace and agreement with Poland. Britain interfered and ensured the poles didn't make any agreement with Germany, which resulted in the war. That said, Nolan is a terrific filmmaker and no doubt the film will stand out for technical excellence."
    That was the line that weird provo lunatic Fast Eddie used to peddle on here. Maybe he's moved on to The Guardian?

    The sheer level of delusion necessary to interpret Hitler's land grabs in Eastern Europe as a response to British aggression is simply astounding.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    We were just about hanging on in there. Hitler had his hands full with Russia by then.
    True. America's involvement was crucial in limiting Russian influence in Europe at the end of the war. The outcome of Germany's war was effectively decided the moment he attacked Russia. It might have taken longer and been messier but the result was only going one way.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    The Allies defeated Hitler. Stalin had the luxuries of being able to trade space for time, the Russian weather, and almost unlimited manpower, but without the material assistance of the allies providing equipment and tying up German forces on other fronts, he would probably have been fúcked.

    But you knew that, didn't you? And I've just bitten
    Nah. We helped them out but once you attack Russia you are ****ed.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    True. America's involvement was crucial in limiting Russian influence in Europe at the end of the war. The outcome of Germany's war was effectively decided the moment he attacked Russia. It might have taken longer and been messier but the result was only going one way.
    Thing is, he was never not going to attack Russia. He wrote a fúcking great big book telling everyone he was going to attack Russia. It was very much at the heart of the whole Nazi Germany thing.

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Nah. We helped them out but once you attack Russia you are ****ed.
    Vast numbers of American trucks and jeeps were absolutely vital in allowing Russia to going on the offensive. Without them, Russia could never have counter-attacked successfully.

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Thing is, he was never not going to attack Russia. He wrote a fúcking great big book telling everyone he was going to attack Russia. It was very much at the heart of the whole Nazi Germany thing.
    True. The bloke had issues, no question.

    It is slightly offensive that he couldn't be arsed to invade us

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    Vast numbers of American trucks and jeeps were absolutely vital in allowing Russia to going on the offensive. Without them, Russia could never have counter-attacked successfully.
    No. You just sit in Moscow and wait for the other lot to freeze to death. Then you bring in them geezers on skis to see off the rest.

    Piece of piss.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    No. You just sit in Moscow and wait for the other lot to freeze to death. Then you bring in them geezers on skis to see off the rest.

    Piece of piss.
    Had the Germans been able to concentrate on a single enemy they would have been the ones sitting in Moscow when that first winter fell.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    True. The bloke had issues, no question.

    It is slightly offensive that he couldn't be arsed to invade us
    As you well know, he was told by his senior naval figures that an attempt to invade us could well have ended with complete disaster. The Kriegsmarine was in no shape to protect an invasion fleet from the Royal Navy, having lost a lot of its destroyers in Norway and, even if the Luftwaffe had had air superiority, the losses the Grand Fleet could have inflicted on an invasion would have been potentially disastrous.

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