:clap: The Boy Owen got there first.

[Peter]

I don't ever recall suggesting it was anything other than an act of faith.

Is it very much the concept of faith that I would blame for this sorry saga above and beyond anything else.

Faith is very silly, except where Arsene Wenger is concerned, natch.

Blind faith is a bit dangerous. Belief is fine.

The broader point here is that it is unfair to hold one religion to its original incarnation. It is no more the fault of Islam that a particular group uses it scripture to justify this stuff than it is the fault of Judas Priest that some **** decides to shoot themselves in the face.

Not that I am defending religion(s). They are all forms of mental illness.